Do I need a separate EICR?

Do I need a separate EICR?

17:33 PM, 9th February 2021, About 4 years ago 32

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Hi all, I had a very comprehensive Domestic Electrical Installation Certificate for the work I had completed in August 2019 for me. I had 2 new fuse boards, socket switch plates changed and light fittings changed.

Does this mean that I do not require the Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR)?

In other words, are these the same thing, or will I need a recognised electrical inspector to return to carry out a completely separate Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR)?

Your input will be most gratefully appreciated.

Propman84


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9:14 AM, 11th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Paul landlord at 10/02/2021 - 21:06
Hi Paul. Are you an electrician? Jontyv is a landlord and electrician and seems to agree with my electrician:

'If this (the consumer unit/fuseboard) is replaced an Electrical Installation Certificate must be issued and notified to Building Control under Part P of the Building Regulations. The certificate is better than an an EICR...'

I don't think my electrician is incompetant or misunderstands the situation.

NB. The EIC's I have, along with the building control certificates, are for fuseboard replacements so cover the whole installation.

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18:02 PM, 13th February 2021, About 4 years ago

My issue is that the EIC, for consumer unit replacement, states that the whole place was re-wired.

It wasn't. I suspect the contractor is just trying to avoid the effort of producing two time-consuming forms. Mentioned in 'Remarks" is an "open ring circuit unable to locate" which I would think (not being an electrician) is a brave admission after a re-wire.

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19:51 PM, 13th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Gunga Din at 13/02/2021 - 18:02
Presumably the unlocated circuit would attract a FI code on an EICR and would need to be followed up within 28 days.

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8:54 AM, 14th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by steve p at 09/02/2021 - 18:57
The EIC will detail what it includes, if it is a consumer unit replacement, this will typically cover the whole system.

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9:02 AM, 14th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Gunga Din at 10/02/2021 - 10:51
I think the electrician’s comments are ambiguous, but his true thoughts could have been lost in translation.
To be clear, in most houses you only have one consumer unit, if this consumer unit is replaced, the EIC will cover EVERY circuit. There is no exception. Therefore the EIC can be used instead of an EICR.

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9:05 AM, 14th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by LaLo at 10/02/2021 - 12:47
What did you get for £500?

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9:07 AM, 14th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Propman84 at 10/02/2021 - 16:58
An electrician commented above your post, I am also an electrician, he is 100% correct in everything he says. You do not need an EICR if your EIC covers the whole installation.

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9:12 AM, 14th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Paul landlord at 10/02/2021 - 21:06
No, I think you misunderstand, the electrician is correct. If you replace a consumer unit, you must test every circuit this consumer unit feeds.

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9:36 AM, 14th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Paul landlord at 10/02/2021 - 22:15
You are incorrect, the EIC must detail what is covered. If you replace a consumer unit, you must test all circuits this supplies. It’s ludicrous to suggest you can only use if you do a full rewire.
You are adding to the confusion landlords are struggling to get to grips with.
You’d be better spending your 1-2 hours completing an EICR, educating your landlords as to why the EIC is sufficient, and that’s why they don’t need an EICR.
To confirm, we are talking about a consumer unit replacement as per the original post.

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9:43 AM, 14th February 2021, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Gunga Din at 13/02/2021 - 18:02
If your electrician has replaced a consumer unit, and supplied an EIC, he must not leave in this state, he must fix it. This is why EIC trumps EICR. Tell him to come back at his cost and fix.
What he should have done, is complete an EICR before quoting for consumer unit change, he would have then been aware of this issue before he started. You have paid for a safe installation, I am doubtful you have this. If he will not fix, send his report to his Competent Person Scheme (CPS)

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