Where will tenants go when EPC work is carried out on properties?

Where will tenants go when EPC work is carried out on properties?

0:04 AM, 11th August 2023, About 11 months ago 37

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Hello, regarding the proposals to upgrade all properties to an EPC ‘C’ rating, where are the tenants of a two-bed back-to-back going to live whilst the work is carried out? Don’t forget that pets are as important as kids in many families.

Where will the mum/dad go during the day when the property is full of workmen and debris? It could take several weeks per property.

Where will a stay-at-home parent with infants go? How will provide food be provided with no kitchen? The one who puts food on the table comes home to a freezing cold house? No bathroom for days and days? No CH?

West Yorkshire has a huge number of these properties. We have several. We’re really good, experienced landlords but I’ve spent hours trying to fathom this out. There is no solution for most of my tenants. Has the person – Gove? – who came up with the policy ever even been in a similar property? Doubtful. Perhaps he’d offer up a few rooms in one of his no doubt multi-roomed mansions to accommodate some of my tenants whilst the work is carried out. Doubtful again.

I’ve gone through all of our properties one by one. All of our properties have gas central heating (GCH). The next substantial step would be retro-fitting wall insulation in some plus roof insulation in those with loft bedrooms. Nearly all have gas boilers in their kitchen or bathroom to vent through an exterior wall. Anyone familiar with properties such as ours would know you’d have to dismantle the entire kitchen and bathroom to get to the wall to be insulated.

The entire GCH system would have to be reinstalled as would the kitchen and bathroom plus much of the water supply and waste removal. The trouble is, some would ‘lose’ the kitchen. Some would ‘lose’ the bathroom, some both. The reason being there isn’t enough space for boilers, bathrooms and kitchens to be reinstalled in front of the insulation. All the sockets re-sited. New skirting boards, decoration.

How do you square that circle?

There isn’t the workforce to carry out all of this work. All of the suppliers of insulation materials stress insulation must be expertly installed or at least by competent professionals. Twenty years of experience has meant I know I need several of all types of professionals. Roofers – 6; gas safe plumbers similar; electricians 8. We have mutual trust.

Apart from emergencies, I sometimes have to join the queue. A lack of competent labour available to install insulation will see every cowboy in the land crawling out of the woodwork and charging more money than Elvis earned to do a rubbish job. Waste of time and money.

Tenants will be worse off financially. I’ll have to increase rents by around £1000 pa. Put that against a paltry saving in gas and electricity even at todays prices when the general feeling is that energy prices could well fall hence even lower ‘savings’. If the government want to save folk money all they need to do is to stop pandering to the greens and remove ‘green’ levies.

Then, how are you going to police the rogue EPC providers who will be abundant, no doubt? As usual, the ones who work to the legislation will suffer whilst the rest will get away with a dodgy EPC cert. Come to think of it, I think that’s what I need……

Thanks for reading,

Ian


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GlanACC

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8:57 AM, 13th August 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Slooky at 13/08/2023 - 08:37
You would get an exemption as it it not practical and too costly for the return. The insulation would not be too expensive but the cost of the remedial work would exceed the insulation costs

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13:27 PM, 13th August 2023, About 11 months ago

Internal insulation in borderline small rooms in HMOs could mean they would drop below the legal minimum floor area; Complying with one regulation (EPC C) - means you break another !

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14:16 PM, 13th August 2023, About 11 months ago

By far the most effective way to insulate a property is on the outside as is common practice in other countries, particularly in central and eastern Europe. The UK's obsession with the external appearance of properties obviates this, thereby greatly increasing the cost and difficulty.

Martin Hicks

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14:57 PM, 13th August 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Gary Tulie at 12/08/2023 - 03:34
Good luck with attempting to get everyone to agree to externally insulating a run of terraced properties. "District" heating and hot water systems are almost unheard of in the UK, despite being common in Europe. We can dream...,

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15:08 PM, 13th August 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Martin Hicks at 13/08/2023 - 14:57
Agreed, I have an end terrace and as part of external insulation the guttering will have to be changed (causing problems with drainage as if the walls are 'thickened' the downpipe drains will have to be moved) and the roof 'remodeled'. Additionally the neighbour who owns his house has indicated he would object (I will buy him a bottle of whisky as this is my 'exemption' guaranteed)

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9:47 AM, 15th August 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by GlanACC at 13/08/2023 - 15:08
I plan on achieving exemption by the same route. A number of my properties are jointly owned so if one owner states that they do not give permission then I will apply for an exemption. Same with my tenants. I shall explain that I am being forced to do this, and so the rent will rise if I have to carry out works. I anticipate all will object and sign a letter so that's exemptions for at least 5 years. I keep my rent below market rate so they have no where to move to anyway that they can afford as it is. If all other landlords carry out works then local rent rates will rise so again they will be better off staying put.
I see a whole lot of tenants staying put so clogging up any rental movements going forward.

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12:31 PM, 15th August 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Reluctant Landlord at 15/08/2023 - 09:47
I know of several local landlords who don't intend to do anything until the decent hones standard is made law, and quite rightly so. I sold a property to a first lime landlord a couple of years ago. The tenant lost his job during covid and hasn't paid anything since, he has now been removed but the landlord is selling up as he has had enough already.

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