Where will tenants go when EPC work is carried out on properties?

Where will tenants go when EPC work is carried out on properties?

0:04 AM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago 37

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Hello, regarding the proposals to upgrade all properties to an EPC ‘C’ rating, where are the tenants of a two-bed back-to-back going to live whilst the work is carried out? Don’t forget that pets are as important as kids in many families.

Where will the mum/dad go during the day when the property is full of workmen and debris? It could take several weeks per property.

Where will a stay-at-home parent with infants go? How will provide food be provided with no kitchen? The one who puts food on the table comes home to a freezing cold house? No bathroom for days and days? No CH?

West Yorkshire has a huge number of these properties. We have several. We’re really good, experienced landlords but I’ve spent hours trying to fathom this out. There is no solution for most of my tenants. Has the person – Gove? – who came up with the policy ever even been in a similar property? Doubtful. Perhaps he’d offer up a few rooms in one of his no doubt multi-roomed mansions to accommodate some of my tenants whilst the work is carried out. Doubtful again.

I’ve gone through all of our properties one by one. All of our properties have gas central heating (GCH). The next substantial step would be retro-fitting wall insulation in some plus roof insulation in those with loft bedrooms. Nearly all have gas boilers in their kitchen or bathroom to vent through an exterior wall. Anyone familiar with properties such as ours would know you’d have to dismantle the entire kitchen and bathroom to get to the wall to be insulated.

The entire GCH system would have to be reinstalled as would the kitchen and bathroom plus much of the water supply and waste removal. The trouble is, some would ‘lose’ the kitchen. Some would ‘lose’ the bathroom, some both. The reason being there isn’t enough space for boilers, bathrooms and kitchens to be reinstalled in front of the insulation. All the sockets re-sited. New skirting boards, decoration.

How do you square that circle?

There isn’t the workforce to carry out all of this work. All of the suppliers of insulation materials stress insulation must be expertly installed or at least by competent professionals. Twenty years of experience has meant I know I need several of all types of professionals. Roofers – 6; gas safe plumbers similar; electricians 8. We have mutual trust.

Apart from emergencies, I sometimes have to join the queue. A lack of competent labour available to install insulation will see every cowboy in the land crawling out of the woodwork and charging more money than Elvis earned to do a rubbish job. Waste of time and money.

Tenants will be worse off financially. I’ll have to increase rents by around £1000 pa. Put that against a paltry saving in gas and electricity even at todays prices when the general feeling is that energy prices could well fall hence even lower ‘savings’. If the government want to save folk money all they need to do is to stop pandering to the greens and remove ‘green’ levies.

Then, how are you going to police the rogue EPC providers who will be abundant, no doubt? As usual, the ones who work to the legislation will suffer whilst the rest will get away with a dodgy EPC cert. Come to think of it, I think that’s what I need……

Thanks for reading,

Ian


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David West

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10:03 AM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

Ian I Totally agree as I am in the same situation.

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10:19 AM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

Typical Government using a sledgehammer to crack a non-existent nut, and not having the foggiest idea how it'll be implemented nor the consequences of doing so.
But it does tick a box and gets Greta Thunberg off their backs so it's all worth it.

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10:31 AM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

We won’t be doing any upgrading tenants will be given notice and property sold can’t wait to get out of this game everything stacked against us it’s not fun anymore

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11:47 AM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Derek t at 11/08/2023 - 10:31
You probably will not be able to give notice. Anyone would think it is your property:-D

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12:01 PM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

I'm afraid there's no point expecting sense from the government, it's waking up to the approaching disaster that may come next year when the Great British Public hold them to account for Boris and his selfish stupidity, Truss and her henchman Kwasi whose combined idiocy did far reaching damage to our national reputation let alone our economy and other manifold sins to be trotted out by sniggering Labour and Lib Dem zealots?
They are left blowing with every wind that promises votes, promises that anyone with political experience knows are never fulfilled.
Why aren't councils building council houses on land that is being handed over to builders who want a huge profit from their labours, not council houses for a reasonable rent?? It's not impossible. I'm not the only person who was brought up near excellent council house estates? They worked then, why not now?

Peter Wood (alias Hawkeye)

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12:29 PM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

When / if they introduce the same compulsory ‘A-C’ EPC upgrades for all residential homes … even a more even interesting scenario.

Graham Bowcock

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13:17 PM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

Maybe time to sell up Ian.

Not said with any disrespect as I am offloading houses myself, as are many of the landlords of my agency.

However, some will wortk through all the issues to comply with the laws, whatever they think of those laws.

My mother is tenant of a house with a G EPC. the owner has done minimal works and obtained an exemption due to the costs incurred. Quite frankly this is not really good enough - if it hadn't been the family home for so long (it's a farmhouse and we suewd to run the farm) I wouldn't expect anyone to live in it. Far too cold and very costly to heat - coal fires and storage heaters.

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14:10 PM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Graham Bowcock at 11/08/2023 - 13:17
My understanding is that if the tenant doesn't want the work done (as many don't) they only need to write a letter to say so. The work is then postponed until the tenant moves out.

I would then surmise that if the tenant wants the work done they should go and stay somewhere else at their own cost just as a normal owner occupier would have to do if extreme works are done on their own property. In this scenario the owner occupier still has to pay the mortgage and bills on their own property and also pay the bills and rent on their temporary property.

If this is reflected on the rental market then I can not see any logic that says the landlord should pay tenants to stay somewhere else temporarily. But logic doesn't always come into it. If tenants make the choice and request that the work is done (assuming no exemptions) then the tenant should play a part and move somewhere else while the work is done. Likewise if they want the work to be done and it is work that can be done while they stay at the property they should facilitate the works and not sit on their hands and expect everyone to run around after them

Graham Bowcock

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14:34 PM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Slooky at 11/08/2023 - 14:10
It's not a question of the tenant wanting the works done, the landlord has a legal requirement to do them. Clearly if the tenant doesn't want them done, then the landlord may be stumped.

Having managed some large portfolios, we often had to accommodate tenants whilst works were being done in their house.

We'd always look at the impact on tenants and work out if they really had to be moved out - does it improve the quality/cost of works? If so then the landlord would pay temporary costs, quiter often a caravan in the garden.

Doesn't sound too unreasonable to me for the landlord to meet the costs, subejct to careful management.

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14:41 PM, 11th August 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Graham Bowcock at 11/08/2023 - 14:34
It's called "third party consent exemption". It's on the government website and it quite clearly says the landlord is exempted if the tenant does not want the works done. The exemption either lasts 5 years or until the tenant leaves, whichever is the shortest. If the tenant is still there in 5 years time, consent should be sought again and they can say no again.

My understanding is that the same exemption will exist with the new EPC legislation.

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