Upstairs refuse to claim on their insurance for damage?

Upstairs refuse to claim on their insurance for damage?

11:24 AM, 24th February 2020, About 5 years ago 38

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I own and rent out the downstairs of 2 leasehold flats located in Woodford Green, Essex. The owner of each flat insures their part of the building separately as per the conditions of the leases.

The water tank servicing the downstairs flat is located in the loft connected to the upstairs flat. It was recently established (? there are some doubts around this but for the purpose of this query I’ll use the word ‘established’) that a leak from this water tank caused damage to both the upstairs and downstairs flats.

As the repairs to my downstairs flat were minimal I chose to pay for these myself. The upstairs neighbours, however, are refusing to claim on their insurance to repair the damage upstairs, citing increased premiums and the excess payment as the reason. As my insurer will not pay for the damage to the upstairs flat, they have insisted that I pay the repair bill for upstairs out of my own pocket.

I myself am of the opinion that their insurance is there for such an unforeseen incident, particularly as we share the same roof to which my access is very limited indeed. Utilising my neighbours’ logic, by extension, were a faulty gas cooker in my downstairs property to cause a gas explosion which destroyed both flats, they would not consider themselves legally responsible to claim on their insurance for the rebuilding of their flat, but rather would expect me to pay for this out of my own pocket. This is obviously a very unsatisfactory state of affairs and not what I would imagine should happen in a real life scenario nor what the law or insurance industry would have intended.

In view of the above, if I refuse to pay for the damage to the upstairs flat and the upstairs neighbours took me to court as they are threatening to do, would they be likely to succeed, or would the court be likely to see my point of view, ie. that it would be standard market practice for them to claim on their insurers as their insurance in this case is there to protect against unforeseen incidents of which this is one. I hope (and imagine) that there would be some precedent in relation to this situation. (The neighbour claims to have spoken to his solicitor in this regard and is now claiming that I have been ‘negligent’. I have, however, absolutely no idea how I may have breached my duty of care as I have owned the property since 1990 with no issues with regard to the tank and have extremely limited access to it as it is located in my neighbours’ loft). I am also concerned of course, that if I did settle all of the neighbours’ bills there would be nothing to then stop them also claiming on their insurance for the damage, ie. ‘double dipping’

I am considering offering the neighbour a token amount to cover their excess and any increase in premium for the first year after the claim purely as a goodwill gesture but am not sure if this is wise as it could be construed as admission of liability.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Paul


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Pauly

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12:40 PM, 5th March 2020, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by David Lawrenson at 05/03/2020 - 08:58
Hello David.
As per my comment to Seething Landlord above, I have made contact with my insurers by e-mail directly to the claims section and await their reply with bated breath.I shall keep you informed of progress....

Thanks,
Paul

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13:49 PM, 5th March 2020, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Pauly at 05/03/2020 - 12:37
Well done, just make sure when you complete the notification form that you include all the details that might help them in defending the claim from the neighbour. Then it's up to them.

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15:59 PM, 6th March 2020, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Seething Landlord at 05/03/2020 - 13:49
Thanks Seething Landlord.
As soon as the opportunity arises, I shall provide all relevant information to the insurance company....

Cheers,
Paul

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11:50 AM, 19th March 2020, About 5 years ago

The insurance company have finally responded agreeing to accept a claim directly from the upstairs neighbours under the liability section of my policy and I have passed the relevant information on to them via my property managers.
Thanks again everybody for your very helpful advice for which I am very grateful .

Paul

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12:07 PM, 19th March 2020, About 5 years ago

Why do you need a water tank in the loft. Water usually comes in from the ground and goes up the rest of the property. Your water must be coming from under your flat, going up to the loft and then back down to your flat. That is bizarre and your water supply/central heating system should have been overhauled to remove the need for the water tank and the need for access to the loft for the water to your flat. We had the water tank removed from our house and rental property when we overhauled the central heating boilers to combi-boilers a few years ago. You should consider doing like-wise.

With your current situation, you are on a loser and can't compel the upstairs flat to claim on their insurance. Even if they did, as others have stated, the insurers may then claim from you anyway.

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21:38 PM, 20th March 2020, About 5 years ago

Unless you were negligent in some way you have no liability to the upstairs flat owner and your insurer should have declined their claim against you.

If there is blame there is a claim but in the absence of blame, there isn't.

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15:57 PM, 21st March 2020, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Smartermind at 19/03/2020 - 12:07
Hi Smartermind and thanks for your comment.

To be honest I have no idea why the flats have been set up with my tank upstairs but I realise of course that it is a far from perfect situation.
Since the leak I have discovered that this can be changed but at the present time cash flow is an issue so it will have to wait a little while unfortunately. It is something which I will definitely look at though at some point in the near future....

Cheers,
Paul

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16:03 PM, 21st March 2020, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Paul Fay at 20/03/2020 - 21:38
Hi Paul and thanks for your comment.

As I do not believe that I have been negligent the insurance company may indeed decline my neighbours' claim.
At the moment though, I am just glad that this burden has been removed from me as my insurers are much better placed than myself to establish the true facts behind the claim.
I shall provide updates should I hear anything further with regards to this matter....

Cheers,
Paul

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