Trying to raise my EPC rating as tenants moving out?

Trying to raise my EPC rating as tenants moving out?

10:44 AM, 27th March 2019, About 6 years ago 50

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I’m a small landlord with 2 properties, one of which has a very low EPC (it was an F last time). It has storage heaters and I’ve been told even replacing them with more modern ones, may not change this.

It’s a 2 bed, spacious, airy and light 1st floor flat, above a pizza restaurant. I have a long lease, but not the freehold. It doesn’t have gas, and I have standard storage heaters, but now I have to try and raise my EPC as the tenants are moving out, and I need to attract new ones.

There are conflicting articles on Google; some say the newer storage heaters and controls will raise the EPC, others say it won’t make any difference, and that Economy 7 is being fazed out with coal stations, so not worth the outlay?

It would be too expensive to try and bring in gas, and probably complicated as I don’t own the freehold?

Does anyone have any advice as to improve my place please.

Marisa Mann


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21:44 PM, 28th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Can you share the epc, and cover the address on here?

For a mid floor flat with partial heating below (the shop) and a flat above.

Look at changing the bulbs to LED throughout, that will give a gain of average of 1 point.
How much insulation is on the electric immersion water heater and does it have a thermostat as that’s worth about 5 points.

If your energy supplier wants to get rid of economy 7 meter, then get your EPC done before that as a dual rate meter over a single rate can make a difference of 10 points. (Keep the dual rate)

If any of the rooms have decorative fireplaces get rid of it for the purpose of the report.

As an assessor I would record what I see, but I too would help the landlord within the remit of the law. As it’s my licence on the line if I get caught fudging reports.

Make sure that the assessor can see every and measure everything he needs, as if I can’t see it I’m going to assume it is as it was built, and as you said it’s 1900’s it not gonna help. If you water tank is boxed in, then uncover it etc

Hope this helps.

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21:45 PM, 28th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Michael Barnes at 28/03/2019 - 19:56
Hi,
yes, I'm looking at my lease to see if i can do this, selling not an option with pizza restaurant downstairs, we bought without a mortgage as had had a large one on our London one, and bought this as a retirement idea with some of the equity. I will see about cavity wall insulation though. Have dug out the original EPC, and it suggests this as well as changing the storage heaters. Has been a good investment until faced with this EPC development. Everyone bing very helpful on this site, thanks a lot

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23:05 PM, 28th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Ken Johns at 28/03/2019 - 09:16
You can see most detail of all EPCs searched by address and with the details of the assessor - on epcregister.com

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23:10 PM, 28th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Di Driscoll at 28/03/2019 - 23:05
If you believe the report is wrong you can request for it to be cancelled by ringing the accreditation body at the bottom page. Assessors have a tolerance of 5 points any moment been this is not deemed a fail.
Just get an new assessor to advise you on what you need to get the E score from its current state, and see if he can advise you, he if he charges you £50 for the first then I would expect him perhaps charge £25 for the second one as they don’t need to data collect or draw plans, they just need new photos

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23:20 PM, 28th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Take a look at the website of the Energy Saving Trust and Simple Energy Advice. The Centre for Sustainable Energy is based in Bristol and has a web page on storage heaters. https://www.cse.org.uk/advice/advice-and-support/night-storage-heaters
And there may well be other similar charities in other parts of the country to give specific advice.

Mike

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1:27 AM, 29th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Trouble is, not many people are physicist, don't care what storage or electric heaters you have, or even gas central heating can be inefficient if you cannot curtail heat loss, new or high tech storage heaters cannot and will not change the buildings heat loss ability, heat escapes through windows, doors, gaps in doors, through walls and ceilings, and floors, so basics of efficiency lies in INSULATION alone, nothing else, if you could heat your house with just 5Kwh heat for the whole 24 hours , that is terrific, no matter what fuel you use, of course it matters only in the price, gas can be 3 to 4 times less costlier than electric, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the mechanics of heat loss, which is what the houses should be rated with, not what boiler you have or if it is electric or gas fired, thats is a total crap,
So how can you make any house thermal efficient, and the answer is just by lining it up with thick layers of insulation, and installing double or triple glazing, filling loft with layers upon layers of insulation, wrapy the whole house in thick insulating material, that is what will save pounds in heating, so rating energy proficiency should be based on heat loss and not on what fuel you use, otherwise why not burn wood that is scrapped in skips that can provide free heating, if you were to go around collecting all timber being discarded.

LED lights can save energy, preventing heat loss saves energy, using less kilowatts of energy is what matters, electric heating is actually 100% efficient as all heat generated by electric is dispensed within the heater straight into the room, not even 0.5% goes to waste, gas fired heating can be 10% loss in pipes wasting heat in floor voids, and other areas and through the flue, so being cheap is a false thing when you also have higher maintenance cost, replace a boiler every 5 to 10 years and spend £3000! does not add up to efficiency does it? Electric heaters are virtually bullet proof and requires very little maintenance or replacement.

So people who devised EPC rating are mad, illiterate, yes thermostatic valves on radiators can help maintain lower temperature in rooms that are rarely occupied, saves energy overall, cutting heat loss is what you need to focus on. So if landlords are required to install gas fired CH and hot water, then so be it, put the cost of repairs, service and gas safe certificates and factor them into rent, that means let tenants pay for it if that is what is needed.

Home ownners can save bucks by preventing heat loss, by insulating walls internally or externally where permitted, doing it internally may reduce the space if the insulation you are using is 100mm thick, which can give you best results and saves £££££££. Covering windows with thick curtains, insulating floor with several layers of carpets can do miracles, installing false ceilings stuffed with insulation can achieve more savings, so if you can make your house like a thermos flask, you could achieve AAAAA rating. So you need scientist involved in EPC rating not idiots.

Mike

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1:46 AM, 29th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mike at 29/03/2019 - 01:27The whole point of EPC is how can you use less ENERGY, Old incandescent bulbs consuming far more energy is definietly out of the window, but don't forget it also gives you free 100 watts of heat in winter, so it is only ever inefficient in summer, so EPC it should not be based on what source of energy your house uses, of course the cost of electric is more, but overall Energy is measured in Kilo watts, not in pounds and shillings and pence, because as I said then gas fired heaters cost a bomb, and are highly dangerous, and require regular servicing and yearly safety checks, whilst electric is expensive but is virtually maintenance free, and has lower cost for installation and no pipes to run or leak, or bleed, or power flush, bla bla bla, when you pay gas bills the cubic meters of gas you use is converted into kilo watts, 1 cu meter is roughly 11.2kwh, so you pay for kilo watts and you will use more gas if your house has poor insulation, you will use less electric if your house has good insulation, some houses cannot have gas, so electric is the only choice, therefore it should not effect EPC rating which should be based on Kilo watt loss not on the type of energy and cost of energy you use. That is my opinion and is based on scientific facts, not on mad politics officials bringing laws in to making lives of landlords ever so harder, but pass the cost on to tenants, simple, increase rents, lay layers of insulation, charge £100 more in rent per month, advertise your property that it has 100mm insulation on all its external walls, saving energy bills.

Who is surprised that the rents have gone up far beyond imagination, is there any wonder!

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6:45 AM, 29th March 2019, About 6 years ago

If the EPC is F rated then it's likely that a combination of heating and insulation will be required to obtain the uplift to an E or above. The likelihood is that your property is of solid wall construction.
My company (B-Ecosmart Ltd) can help with funding a project to insulate the property with internal wall insulation and we can also help with heating.
There is the potential of the work being fully funded dependent on the circumstances of the tenant.

Feel free to get in touch with me directly

http://Www.becosmart.co.uk
Chris@b-ecosmart.co.uk
0191 5819900

mary

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9:52 AM, 29th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mike at 29/03/2019 - 01:46
Hi,
Yes thanks, I'm going to have to get on to the freeholder to see if they'd be adverse to me trying cavity wall insulation, if i can get it done with a grant, or not too expensively.

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9:56 AM, 29th March 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Di Driscoll at 28/03/2019 - 23:20
Thanks, will contact this Trust

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