Tracker Mortgage Class Action Update

Tracker Mortgage Class Action Update

16:47 PM, 30th September 2013, About 11 years ago 30

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Tracker Mortgage Class Action Update

630 people have completed our Tracker Rate Class Action Registration Form as I type this update. 

Of those, 300 had signed up to the Bank of Ireland Class Action campaign which we started in early March 2013. The remaining 330 have signed up in the last week since the announcement from the West Bromwich Building Society that 6,700 landlords will have their tracker margins increased by 2% on 1st December 2013.

Our campaigns were referenced in The Telegraph on Saturday and The Sunday Times yesterday. We have also been referenced in several blogs and Facebook groups.

I came in this morning to a very full inbox and whilst I have endeavoured to reply to everybody, please excuse the brevity of my responses if you are one of the people who contacted me, I’m sure you will understand.

The complaint letter template has been well received and I’m hoping that West Brom will have a very heavy mailbag this morning and for the foreseeable future.

On Twitter, a hashtag is being used to drive interest, it is #MortgageMugging – I didn’t create the hashtag but it does explain how we many of us feel to let’s all use it. We are asking Twitter users to visit the hashtag regularly and to re-tweet all relevant tweets posted by others.

I had a long telephone conversation with Justin Selig this morning in which I explained that we have gained some momentum but my fear is that we could lose that if people don’t have clear direction and a very good reason to sign up and pay up now.

My biggest question at the moment is this;

What is the “early bird” incentive for people to commit to fund raising?

If all affected borrowers benefit equally, whether they have contributed or not, then human nature will more often than not be to do nothing. I suspect this is what the lenders are relying upon and it is my biggest fear.

Litigation isn’t going to be cheap and it appears I may well have significantly under-estimated costs when I predicted that we will need to raise around £100,000. The cases have similarities but they are not the same, therefore we could be fighting two separate Class Action cases. It is still unclear whether one test case case against each lender is the way to go or whether we should bring one case against each bank to represent all affected members of each Class Action.

The reality is, we need further advice from Counsel, however, bearing in mind that only £10,000 was raised to fund the initial campaign we have made very good progress so far.

We have a barristers opinion on the BoI case and we also know where we stand with the FCA having placed Counsels 32 page report in front of them outlining the legal bases of our grievances. We have not yet had a response from the FOS but I don’t think we should be holding our breath on that one.

During our conversation Justin and I agreed that we should seek further advice from Counsel on what we should do next. As I expected, Justin was a step ahead of me and reported that a QC in the same chambers as our barrister has agreed to provide further opinion free of charge! I have no idea how Justin pulled that one off but we all owe them both a debt of gratitude for that.

Once we have the responses from Counsel Justin will be in a position to seek quotes for legal fees insurance. That will give us a much clearer indication as to how much money we will need to raise.

I have also asked Justin;

Is there a way to ensure that only those who contribute to the fundraising will benefit? If so, could the fund raising be phased to give ‘early birds’ an incentive, e.g. first 300 in pay X, next 300 in pay Y, everybody after that pays Z?

We don’t know how much we need to raise because we don’t yet know what we are going to do next. We need to be clear about this before we recommence fund raising. What we do know is that we need to obtain Counsels opinion on the West Bromwich Building Society case and advice from the barrister on how to proceed, this will cost around £4,000.

Specifically in relation to the West Bromwich case we need to know,

  • What is counsels opinion of the legality of the proposed actions by West Bromwich BS?
  • What constitutes a professional investor? The case of the OFT vs Foxtons was unclear but West Bromwich have decided that it is anybody with three or more mortgages. What is the legal relevance of this?
  • Can we get an injunction to delay the increase pending a Court Case? If so what’s the cost?
  • Can/should affected borrowers use the Small Claims Court to make claims for breach of contract? If so, what do they need to do? Could an advice pack be created and sold to raise funds?
  • Should affected borrowers write to their solicitors asking them to comment on the advice (or lack of it) they provided at the time at the time of arranging the mortgage(s). Should these solicitors be advised to put their PI insurers on notice? If so we need letter templates. Could these be included in the same advice pack?

I am also concerned about what happens if we have a further round of fund raising for either case and we don’t raise enough money to take the case through to its final conclusion. What should we do about getting started and/or refunding money paid? It’s a ‘chicken and egg’ scenario because logic suggests that more people will join the fight once it gets started properly and media coverage increases, but to what extent? Do we commence proceedings against Bank of Ireland and/or west Bromwich BS and effectively gamble on more people signing up? If they don’t, and we exhaust all of the funds raised, what then?

Do we use new money raised to put more pressure on the FCA? For example, we could instruct Justin to engage Counsel with a view to writing a response to the FCA expressing our concerns that firstly they are not taking an impartial view of this and secondly, contrary to what they reported earlier in the year to Andrew Tyrie MP, this is not an isolated incident and could potentially cause carnage if other larger lenders follow suit. My opinion is that the FCA’s response is a whitewash.  They have simply used the BoI response to our case as a reason not to pursue it.  They have not obtained their own independent advice so the FCA is not acting as an independent arbitrator.  The BoI response is a note from their barrister who they asked to find ways round our argument.  It is not an independent review of the actions of BoI. The FCA has not given us a chance to respond to the BOI arguments. They have simply taken the BoI version and gone with it.  My own gut feeling is that we should press this issue and seek support from Andrew Tyrie MP because he clearly thinks the actions of BoI were unfair and is therefore likely to feel the same way about the actions of West Bromwich BS.

The above really is the tip of the iceberg in terms of the many questions and concerns I have at this stage. However, it is important for everybody to know what we are up to behind the scenes.

The bottom line is that we are going to need a lot more support whatever happens. Therefore, I am asking everybody who has registered to date to persuade at least two more people to register for the Class Action in the next week and then get them to do the same. By the time that’s done, Justin should have more answers for us from Counsel and the direction we need to head in should be far more clear to us all.


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Devon Landlords

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13:52 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Hi Mark, First of all thanks for the great job you are doing. We have two BTL's with West Brom which will impact us to the tune of £6K a year if they get away with it. However, to us this is not just about money, it's about fair contracts and it's not letting big Institutions bully individuals by "dividing and conquering". It is therefore essential that we stick together through your Forum and fight this through legal and political channels and maximise exposure through social media as has already been initiated by your site. We are prepared to support your fund against West Brom (we would prefer to see two separate funds, one for each Building Society). We have not contacted our local Solicitor at this point because we feel a few hundred pounds spent with him will get us very little compared to the potential of this united action through your site.

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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14:00 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Doug Collins" at "01/10/2013 - 13:15":

I have now added the Class Action Registration Form to the end of this article.

Andy Bell

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14:04 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Thanks for putting all this together. Me against them was very scary, US against them has a chance.
I've signed up for the class action and I'm ready to pay up.
Complaint letter sent, a few tweets done.
Next I'll be sending the press release.
Then notifying the FA who sourced and sold me the mortgages
Then a letter to my MP.

Anything else I should be doing?

John T

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14:07 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "John T" at "01/10/2013 - 11:15":

Andrew Tyrie MP
Chairman of the Treasury Committee
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14:08 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Andy Bell" at "01/10/2013 - 14:04":

Hi Andy

What's your Twitter handle? Also, did you use #MortgageMugging ?

Other thing you could do - how about contacting your local newspapers and asking them to publish the Press Release linked below?
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Andy Bell

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17:36 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "01/10/2013 - 14:08":

Cheers Mark,
Twitter handle @AGBiDoStuff I'm no twitter expert and not very prolific but yes I've used the #MortgageMugging. I think you found it already.

I've sent the press release to my local "on-line" news site "The Chesterfield Post". The editor is going to try and get it up this evening, I'll spread the word if it gets on. They might be able to get Local MPs Toby Perkins and Natascha Engel to comment, it would be a bonus if Dennis Skinner was on side as well! Also possible contact with Radio Sheffield.

I preceded the release with a few comments :

"This a story about Banks a Building societies putting up interest rate by dubious means. At the moment it's affecting Buy to let Landords and their tenants but if they can get away with this it could affect residential home owners as well.

It couldn't get more local, yes I'm directly affected and there will be other landlords who will be squeezed in the same way.

This squeezing will prevent the many good Landlords in the area from covering rent arrears, delays in benefits etc. that are cropping up more and more in the current climate. The pressure to evict and put up rents will increase.

Many readers might not have much sympathy for landlords but it's a fact that the low mortgage rate they have had help to kept rent increases, if any, well below inflation. Landlords are now on the front line of challenging the banks dubious methods of extorting customers. If the Landlords lose this one the banks could well be targeting residential home owner mortgages next. "

Hope the above is all on track?

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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17:43 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Andy Bell" at "01/10/2013 - 17:36":

Superb job Andy, well done!

Please post a link to the article as soon as it is live so we can all Tweet is.

Remember #MortgageMugging #Sheffield
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20:17 PM, 1st October 2013, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "01/10/2013 - 17:43":

The story is up http://www.chesterfieldpost.co.uk/news/local/localnews_00000545.html

Please tweet

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19:13 PM, 2nd October 2013, About 11 years ago

I completely agree with all the comments, we need to rally round for the class action. I am behind you all the way. I believe thanks (certainly mine) should go to Mark and Justin for their tireless campaigning on our behalf. Those who think we should shut up and accept our lots, equally could simply ignore us and not send derogatory comments. Though I bet they quite happily accept the fruits of the campaign!

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17:45 PM, 7th April 2016, About 9 years ago

After WHICH? magazine's successful recent campaign, I logged a complaint re. the BoI mortgage differential issue.
The complaint is being sent to the Editorial Team who, if they receive enough similar complaints about the same issue, will investigate - and perhaps put public pressure on the BoI to reverse the decision?

ACTION: Contact WHICH? magazine (Tel: 01992 822800) to register your complaint against BoI and if enough people contact them, it will be taken up by the Team.

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