Are They Tenants or Squatters (or something else completely!)?

Are They Tenants or Squatters (or something else completely!)?

8:26 AM, 21st March 2014, About 11 years ago 29

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My ex tenants are a married couple with grown up children. They recently moved out of my 3 bed house into a 1 bed bungalow but their grown up sons are now occupying my property (they weren’t there to the best of my knowledge during the tenancy).

They were on a periodic tenancy after an initial 6 month AST. The sons wanted to ‘take on’ the tenancy but I turned them down as they would not meet my criteria as tenants (they are unemployed – amongst other considerations!)). They claim that if they were forced to leave they would be homeless as they have no alternative place to stay.

As things stand, I believe they will try to stay as long as possible and I am unlikely to receive any rent in the meantime. Do they have any rights? How do I get them out quickly? Are my ex tenants financially liable in any way (at present, I am not intending to give them their deposit back as they haven’t given me vacant possession on the agreed date)?

Assuming the sons stay for a period of time longer than the withheld deposit would recompense me for, would I have a case in taking court action against my ex tenants for additional financial loss?

Any advice would be welcome.

Thanks

Adrianstep brothers


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14:17 PM, 24th March 2014, About 11 years ago

Not squatters unless they forced entry. If they had a key from parents.................

I'd be astonished if the sons were not there just before the tenancy ended, or parents vacated, but didn't Adrian say the tenancy was still ongoing? Teants don't have to occupy, though we expect them to.

If they are in or entitled to be in occupancy of the property, which they clearly are until 15th April soonest, then the tenancy continues. So if the sons are there they are there before end of tenancy.

Best bet is Accelerated Possession immediatelynotice has ended - except LL hasn't served a s21 has he?

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18:08 PM, 24th March 2014, About 11 years ago

Entering by force is not a requisite of the offence of squatting; it’s the knowledge of being a trespasser that is important. If the sons enter the property by force then burglary will be the more likely offence if accompanied with theft or damage.

Unfortunately, now that we have more detail from Adrian it might be difficult to prove an offence of squatting although I can’t see that the sons would be considered to be holding over as tenants so that makes it even more essential to inform the sons in writing now that they do not have permission to live in the property and once the named tenants occupancy formally ends the sons will be deemed to be trespassing if they remain in the property as residents.

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8:14 AM, 25th March 2014, About 11 years ago

When this happened to me (see previous comment) I told the police I did not know the person in my house and had never given permission for her to live there - therefore she was a squatter. The police agreed and were willing to come and tell her she had to leave. The threat of this was enough to make her go so I didn't have to involve them. Was this wrong then? Was she not a squatter?

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14:13 PM, 25th March 2014, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Edna " at "25/03/2014 - 08:14":

I have just re-read your first comment again and with the available facts I doubt very much whether your circumstances would have amounted to a Sec 144 squatting prosecution in Court.

The rogue tenant must know or ought to know that she is a trespasser. It wouldn’t be squatting if she entered the property in good faith, reasonably believing she had permission to do so i.e. in the circumstances you describe where the lawful tenant has sublet to her. In such circumstances it would be reasonable for a police officer to ask her to provide evidence of a tenancy agreement or rent payments to show she believed that she was not a trespasser.

However, your method of action did the trick and perhaps the police officers didn’t ask too many questions in the first instance in an attempt to provide you with a quick resolution to the matter.

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8:21 AM, 26th March 2014, About 11 years ago

One does not have to ofrce entry to be a squatter. In fact until recently forced entry was criminal while squatting was not so squatters were careful not to leave evidence of forced entry.

If for example the sons gained access after the end of the tenancy and after their parents had vacated, even with a key, they would be squatters as they would have entered as trespassers.

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9:14 AM, 26th March 2014, About 11 years ago

Definitive word.

Romain is right the recent change was that from September 2012 squatting in residential property became a criminal offence and they can therefore be arrested. But you have to prove they are a squatter for the Police to make an arrest.

A squatter must have entered the property unlawfully and so an occupier authorisewd to be there, even if by implication and not contract e.g. family members like these sons, cannot be a squatter. I very much doubt the Police would treat a family member as a squatter anyway, they expect squatters to be unknown to the property owner (tenant).

A trespasser is someone occupying without permission and whilst you could argue this would include the authorised occupier and of course someone left behind by an ex partner who was the tenant, in reality since they are protected by the PFEA 1977 they are actually there lawfully. Or more correctly cannot be unlawfully evicted.

You might also need to consider the rights under The Matrimonial Homes Act etc if they are a deserted married partner or even just a spouse etc.

A trespasser is someone even walking into your garden (probably front garden would not apply as implied right to approach the property up the path or drive especially if open plan and no fence etc.

Arguably to make this more interesting for the real anoraks amongst us (Romain?!!) you can be a squatter on land, or you are more likely a tresspasser on land and a squatter in a building!!

Perhaps part of the difference might be that a squatter is trying to exlude the rightful owner but the trespasser is not?

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10:55 AM, 26th March 2014, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "The Gatekeeper" at "26/03/2014 - 09:14":

"A squatter must have entered the property unlawfully and so an occupier authorisewd to be there, even if by implication and not contract e.g. family members like these sons, cannot be a squatter."

The key is that they must have been allowed access by a lawful occupier in order not to be squatters.
In the example I used above the tenancy ends, and the tenant vacates but keep a key. Now, if the ex-tenant gives that key to anyone (including family members) who then use it to gain access and occupy the property, that person will be a squatter.
Obviously it may not be easy to prove when the person gained access and thus to prove squatting.

A squatter is not protected by the PFEA 1977 so eviction can just be changing all the locks when they are away, which is why "professional" squatters ensure that someone is at the squatted property at all times.

In addition, as per PFEA 1977, anyone was was previously a lawful residential occupier cannot be a squatter, as mentioned.

PS: The Gatekeeper's style reminds me of another member 😉

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11:13 AM, 26th March 2014, About 11 years ago

Romain what DO you mean?

Or do you mean knowledgeable, authoritative, vastly experienced, talks common sense, modest and above all with access to people who know what they are talking about which they are willing to share?

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11:51 AM, 26th March 2014, About 11 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "The Gatekeeper" at "26/03/2014 - 11:13":

Of course. What else? 😉

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