Tax Relief or No Tax Relief, that is the question.

Tax Relief or No Tax Relief, that is the question.

11:12 AM, 29th June 2013, About 12 years ago 27

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Tax Relief or No Tax Relief, that is the question.My current home is mortgage free and I am considering buying a new home on a new mortgage taken out on that home, then renting out my current home.

My question is; will I be allowed any mortgage relief on the new mortgage even though its not on the rental property?

I am quite confused already as a Sister of one of my best friends is a “Tax Expert” in an accountancy firm and does rent out a property or two herself.

This was her response –

You should be able to claim mortgage interest relief on a loan up to the market value of the let property on the date you put it into your property letting business. This is because business relief rules allow tax relief on a loan to withdraw your capital from a business.

For example if your current property has a market value of £300,000 you can claim tax relief on a loan up to this amount.

The link below to HMRCs manual , example 2 , explains this.

The manual does not state that the security of the loan has to be the let property and therefore it should be possible to borrow the money against your new home (ie: not at buy to let rates) and get tax relief on the loan interest against your rental income.

You are able to use some very beneficial tax reliefs if you sell your current property after it has been let but that’s another subject.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/BIM45700.htm

However I was not convinced and really need to be more certain of my Tax liabilities before I can commit to buy my new home. So I asked her if she was sure as Example 2 was quite different to my situation.

This was her response.

Yes its not easy but as far as I know it doesn’t matter what the funds are secured on. What you are doing here is not claiming relief on a mortgage to buy a property you are letting, but are borrowing money so that you can withdraw your loan to the letting business. Your loan to the letting business is the market value of the property on the date you put it into the business. (market value on the date first let).

I realise this is not easy to understand but I believe it works ( ie: is within the law of tax).

The first para of the guidance below, I believe gives the OK for a claim.

Tax as ever is grey not black and white , and because we work under the rules of self assessment you have to take the decision as to what to claim up front.

You could try one of the big firms of accountants and see what they think , if you get them to do your return with the claim as above and it fails you would be covered by their insurance.

I assume you have explored getting a loan on your current home now to fund the new purchase, you would have to tell the lender due course when you are let your current home and they would then charge you a higher buy to let rate but the tax relief would be worth more. You would then be completely in line with HMRCs example 2.

That said, I would go for my original advice.

Yours

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/saimmanual/saim10030.htm

I am still not convinced and I got lost in some of the above to be honest.

So, what do you all think?

Yes or No to Tax Relief on the new mortgage secured on the new home?

Thanks a lot in advance.

Paul


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17:59 PM, 7th July 2013, About 12 years ago

@Hotpl4te "My question is – how do I work out the “optimum” amount of borrowing on my current home (rental to be) property taking into consideration my deposit and new mortgage?"

To determine this and all other answers, my strong recommendation is to sit down 'face to face' with a BTL (and regulated) whole of market Broker, who will answer all of your questions and manage the process for you.

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18:26 PM, 7th July 2013, About 12 years ago

Howard, I may very well end up doing just that. But there is no way I would go to a meeting like that unprepared. I would want to do a lot of research first.
There is no way I would trust a stranger with this kind of stuff and just hope they were telling the truth, knew what they were doing and honestly had my best interests at heart.
Other's might be happy to do so, but I have been around the block too many times to be that trusting of a stranger.

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18:56 PM, 7th July 2013, About 12 years ago

Absolutely right too!

Yes, be prepared and if possible please work with a Broker who is recommended to you.

You can always check whether they are a 'legit' regulated Broker by visiting the FCA (nee FSA) Register.

The Register can be found here > http://www.fsa.gov.uk/register/firmSearchForm.do simply type in their name in the Firm box. (you can see my registration here > http://www.fsa.gov.uk/register/firmBasicDetails.do?sid=109217)

To be (more or less) prepared, get an idea of what mortgage deals are out there to gauge the kind of interest rates and fees you'll be paying, but then .. and this is why I suggest seeing a whole of market Broker .. then see what a Broker can also access (there are many, many deals not available 'direct' and only via Brokers).

A Broker who specialises will also have good relationships with the banks underwriters and this will (should?) also help your application through the processing too.

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20:47 PM, 7th July 2013, About 12 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Hotpl4te" at "07/07/2013 - 18:26":

I can vouch for Howard

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21:20 PM, 7th July 2013, About 12 years ago

Colchester is 250 miles away from me.
Sorry but 500 mile round trip???

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21:40 PM, 7th July 2013, About 12 years ago

LOL Thank you for considering a trip to see me!!

My Firm has Advisers who cover the whole of the UK. We have many Clients in Scotland who we provide a regular service for, and as far south as the Isle of Wight too!

For 'serious' Clients, we are happy to travel - or if more convenient, we can also provide our service by email, skype, fax, 'phone and post.

Distance is never an issue.

Hope that helps,

🙂

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21:45 PM, 7th July 2013, About 12 years ago

ps - as a Client I would consider the price of a travel ticket to be an investment, not a cost, especially when seeing someone who's aim is to help to either make money or save money - As an Adviser it is the same principle, the travel expense is an investment into our Clients who work with us (as many have for many years now).

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