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I find it interesting that prs landlords are attacking the Alliance for attempting to do something to to mitigate the smashing of our business doled out by seemingly all quarters. Attempting to expose Shelter for what they are may indeed prove counterproductive (so far not) and treated as something to be ignored (quite possibly happening). But do the critics have other bright ideas? If so I would say join the Alliance, put your own ideas forward to the organisation and shape the direction of the Alliance action. If not maybe at least put some action forward on 118 we can move forward with. If not I would say stop being an armchair umpire criticising people who are trying to defend our business or back off. Put up or shut up please.

Reply to the comment left by Monty Bodkin at 05/02/2019 - 22:02
It isn't my perception that Shelter has backed off at all. They are really pushing the 'End S21' campaign and 'Say No to No DSS' campaign for example. They produced their report on social housing a short while back, so their campaign has shifted to encompass that.
They talk to the three main landlord organisations. I don't imagine for one moment they concern themselves with individual landlords, or insignificant small groups. Their goal (as a left wing socialist organisation) is to massively increase the number of social homes, and to do that they have to continually criticise and denigrate private landlords. They are in for the long game.

Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 06/02/2019 - 13:12I fail to see why it is necessary to "continually criticise and denigrate private landlords" and the accommodation they provide, in order to promote the provision of social housing. Perhaps you could explain your reasoning.

Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 06/02/2019 - 13:12
They are really pushing the 'End S21' campaign

That is a Generation rent campaign, Shelter is noticeably absent from the list of supporters here;

https://www.generationrent.org/end_section_21

and 'Say No to No DSS' campaign

https://blog.shelter.org.uk/2018/08/ending-dss-discrimination/

"In the next few months Shelter intends to bring a series of test cases to court which challenge those who refuse to consider letting to people on benefits"

That was 6 months ago, as far as I know, they haven't brought one test case to court.

I'm not saying Shelter are pro-private landlord but I think they are canny enough to tread carefully in order to maintain financial funding from the likes of B&Q and Nationwide and a (supposedly) right wing capitalist government.

Reply to the comment left by Old Mrs Landlord at 06/02/2019 - 13:54
I imagine their reasoning is the need to demonstrate that the PRS, which is now the 2nd biggest tenure, is failing renters, charging stupendous rents and is dominated by Rachmanesque criminals - so a massive increase in social housing is the only way to save the population from nasty money grabbing private landlords. They could have taken another route - to work proactively with the PRS to keep existing tenants in their homes and encourage decent landlords to invest in housing - but that would be showing support for private enterprise, which doesn't fit with their narrative

Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 07/02/2019 - 10:30Thank you for our explanation. You say this is what you imagine and I am wondering whether you have any evidence to support that, other than your imagination. Do you feel it is the only possible explanation or perhaps that it is self-evident?

Reply to the comment left by Old Mrs Landlord at 07/02/2019 - 13:01
Plenty of evidence;

https://england.shelter.org.uk/support_us/campaigns/a_vision_for_social_housing

We can see the impact of the housing crisis everywhere, from the increase in both young families and older people trapped in unaffordable privately rented homes, to the increasing homelessness that scars our society.
Unless we act now, we face a future in which a generation of young families will be trapped renting privately for their whole lives, where more and more people will grow old in private rentals, where billions more in welfare costs will be paid to private landlords – and hundreds of thousands more people will be forced into homelessness.
Our commission recommends a historic renewal of social housing, with a 20-year programme to deliver 3.1 million more social homes.
etc etc

Reply to the comment left by Monty Bodkin at 07/02/2019 - 14:08
I am not in ant doubt that Shelter denigrate private landlords. What I asked is why Annie says that it is necessary for them to do this in order for them to campaign for more social housing. I cannot see that slagging off the PRS is a prerequisite to pushing for more social housing provision.

Reply to the comment left by Old Mrs Landlord at 07/02/2019 - 17:44I asked why Annie says "that it is necessary for them to do this in order for them to campaign for more social housing. "
No, she didn't say that at all
-as a quick read through the thread clearly shows.

We know that slagging off the PRS is v easy and increasingly commonplace in recent years, but a question I’ve wondered ever since I heard Osborne’s 2015 summer budget announcement which I listened to while driving to/from an immediate service tenant repair request: do Shelter, Gen Rent, Guardian, HMG or the LL h8 brigade etc etc consider incorporated LLs to be private LLs / LL entities operating in the PRS or not?

If not, why not?