Shelter ask for Landlords views

Shelter ask for Landlords views

10:12 AM, 13th June 2019, About 6 years ago 191

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Two Property118 members have pointed out that Shelter are actually asking for views from Landlords and have produced a survey to complete: Click Here.

The request from Shelter states: “Take our survey to help us understand what’s important to you and how we can best work together towards developing a better private rental sector. Answers are completely anonymised.”

Questions include:

  • What were your motivations for becoming a landlord?
  • What are the best things about being a landlord?
  • What are the main challenges you face as a landlord?
  • How would you describe your relationship with your tenants?
  • How do you think Shelter can work better with landlords?
  • What has been your experience of Shelter?

We all hope this can be used as a positive step for Shelter and the PRS to start working together as opposed to against each other to the benefit of tenants.


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Chris Clare

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11:08 AM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

I can't shake the feeling that Shelter is the scorpion from the fable the scorpion and the frog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

No matter how nice he is and how convincing he can be that his intentions are honorable along with the mutually assured destruction aspect of the story, he just can't help himself it is in his nature.

Don't forget the most important fact in all of this, it is not in Shelter's benefit to fix the housing market, quite frankly the more broken this industry is the more that Shelter thrives. They will always sting us it is in their nature!

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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11:19 AM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Chris Clare at 20/06/2019 - 11:08
I felt compelled to look up this story ...

A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung by the scorpion, but the scorpion argues that if it did that, they would both drown. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. The scorpion climbs onto the frog's back and the frog begins to swim, but midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung, to which the scorpion replies "I couldn't help it. It's in my nature."

The moral of the story is that, like the scorpion, humans possess compulsions that they cannot repress even when it is in their best interest. Conversely, like the frog, humans can be too trusting and hence the importance of understanding others by their true nature.

Chris Clare

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11:21 AM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mark Alexander at 20/06/2019 - 11:19
It pretty much sums up the current apparent predicament with Shelter and their reaching out to work with us, does it not?

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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11:22 AM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Chris Clare at 20/06/2019 - 11:21
It certainly appears that way

Jonathan Clarke

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11:36 AM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Have the RLA/ NLA or other significant LL`s representative bodies ever have or plan to have high level exploratory face to face discussions with Shelter to see if there is any common ground ? If there hasnt as yet maybe that could be instigated as a starting point so we could look into each others eyes and determine each others nature . They may of course view us as the scorpions and themselves as the frog .

We need to test the trust in each other to allow progress if there is going to be any . Opening a dialogue through appropriate channels would be good and hopefully a meeting of minds would develop.
From acorns grow oak trees ( hopefully )

Ian Narbeth

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11:47 AM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Chris Clare at 20/06/2019 - 11:21
Let us wait and see what Shelter do. I would be happy to speak with or meet with them to put the case that if they demonise decent landlords they will (a) make things worse for tenants as the good landlords give up and the proportion of rogues increases and (b) be called out for it.

The trouble for us is that the younger generation in particular wants to believe that they are oppressed by landlords and not by a shortage of affordable houses caused by successive governments' policy failures. Even if their own landlord is decent they readily believe that most landlords are not because of the negative mood music played by Shelter and much of the press.

Mick Roberts

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14:51 PM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Clint at 20/06/2019 - 09:33Clint I concur too.
When HB start work, not always, but mostly, it is a nightmare to manage as they say not my problem, paying the shortfall in rent, I'm not handing over my work money, not used to that Oh no. U sort that out Mick.
And I do have some very good tenants at moment, but 40% of em will freely admit they no good with money.
We can solve a lot of UC BY JUST RUDDY TALK TO US!

Mick Roberts

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14:52 PM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Jonathan Clarke at 20/06/2019 - 10:04
And yes JC, I concur yet again.
I too am die hard HB LHA, but UC has just gone way out to Planet Mars with no hope of solving 'em. Existing tenant I can solve when they switch onto UC, but new ones, no thank u.

Clint

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17:22 PM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 20/06/2019 - 14:52
I had a tenant who was on HB for about 6 years and was slightly in arrears with his rent which was quite acceptable to me. He switched over to UC and it was within the first six months he owed me several months’ rent and was evicted. He kept blaming UC but in reality, he just could not help himself with money being paid to him and later admitted it.
Besides the rental arrears that built up with UC, he was a good tenant and kept the place clean and tidy but unfortunately, UC destroyed his livelihood. This tenant was evicted in August 2018 and up to now has not found accommodation and is now living "illegally" with another benefit tenant as the council will not house him for making himself intentionally homeless.
I am aware of all this as the ex-tenant keeps phoning me from time to time pleading with me to offer him accommodation once again.

Chris @ Possession Friend

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17:23 PM, 20th June 2019, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Jonathan Clarke at 20/06/2019 - 10:04
What part of the Country - Council is that Jonathan ?

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