15:55 PM, 12th August 2013, About 11 years ago 74
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We’re a professional couple with a limited company which provides a technology solution to the NHS. It suits our circumstances to rent at this moment in time.
We had a 4-year rental of a lovely apartment until last Summer, when the owner decided to downsize and move back into the property. It was a good relationship, we had treated the property as if it had been our own investment and we parted as friends – with our deposit paid back in full.
After much searching we found a 3-bed town house which appeared to offer us everything we needed. The letting agent was a member of NAEA/ARLA and appeared to be respectable. There were some agreed remedial works to be dealt with and we were given assurances that these would be attended to in due course. We moved into the property in late August 2012.
Sadly, by the beginning of November, it was apparent that the property had some significant problems. There was extensive water penetration upstairs and a rising damp problem to the ground floor. The letting agent was informed immediately, with photographic evidence and a request for urgent assistance. We moved our furniture from the 3rd bedroom.
A ‘trades-person’ appeared in due course, with a notepad and pencil but with no damp meter. A report was promised, but was not forthcoming. The letting agent promised to send another contractor. This one only worked weekends and couldn’t agree a time to call; that visit never took place.
I called the landlords contractor to arrange the remedial work to be completed – missing doors, exposed wires, etc. He visited early November, measured up, made notes, promised to return – but failed.
We spent the most horrendous Christmas and New Year in the house. There was serious damp penetration, black mould which was constantly being removed. Slugs were climbing the walls. The house was very cold and the more that we heated it – the worse the damp became. We telephoned, wrote, sent photographs, yet the letting agent did nothing; there were plenty of replies – unbelievably stating that they were attempting to do everything as quickly as possible. We initially resigned ourselves to getting out of the house at the end of our AST.
In early-February, I wrote the strongest letter to letting agent with photos. A survey was made by Peter Cox, a pretty damning report which agreed with our complaint – serious damp and rain penetration. I wrote again, asking for compensation and a reduction in rent. This was refused. The letting agent had said that the landlord was absent; it transpired this wasn’t the case.
We tracked the landlord down and demanded a meeting. The landlord appeared, agreed with us in full and said that it was the first he knew of the problem. He agreed that we should be compensated and that this was the letting agents responsibility. Our landlord sat in our home, apologising and promised us both that this would be resolved. He remarked how clean we kept the property. The next day he had changed his mind and said that our grievance was with the letting agent. The following day – the EHO (Environmental Health Officer) inspected. That week, the missing doors and exposed electrics were attended to. We sent 2 requests to the letting agent, for the landlords address – these were refused.
A week later we received a section 21 notice to quit. The landlords address was given as c/o a family member in the South – presumably to thwart a legal action by us.
It turned out that the landlord had known of the problems. He’d applied for a grant for roof insulation, in my name – without my knowledge – and prior to our first meeting. It transpired that the letting agents were not members of ARLA or NAEA and we contacted both organisations and Rightmove to get these false affiliations removed. The letting agent claimed an oversight.
We spoke with our MP who has written to the CEO of the local authority, in order to push the EHO. The EHO wrote to the letting agent and the landlord but there was no response. We then began to receive threats from the letting agent to enter the property to inspect and allow viewings; we made a formal complaint to the Police and this is logged with a fast-track number in the event that they continue. We threatened to change the locks and the letting agent replied that this was not necessary.
We defended the section 21 notice on the grounds of incorrect dates and continued to pay the rent. We were not going to be forced out and subjected to costs or inconvenience due to their incompetence. The weather had improved and the house was drying out for the summer and we would tough it out now – having gone through the worst. We have since redecorated all damp affected walls as it is unnecessary to be reminded every day.
Our MP has pushed for resolution; this has mustered a stronger letter from the EHO. There has been no response other than a second section 21 notice. The dates are once again incorrect. The letting agent has put our deposit into a DPS but did not provide the Deposit Protection Certificate or prescribed information until we requested it after five months of tenancy. The prescribed information appears to be incomplete. I doubt that any s21 is valid until deposit is returned and the landlord might be liable for 3x under the Localism Act? Our claim should also be for a reduction in rent back-dated to 11/2012 and should provide compensation for immense stress and upset – particularly to my wife – for the repeated inconvenience, small damage, etc.
We’ve spoken with experts in Landlord/Tenant issues, they’ve seen our file which is very complete and have passed it onto Barristers to evaluate. We have a strong case apparently, but would incur costs of circa £7k to seek compensation/enforcement of duty to repair; we’ve been told that there is little likelihood of being awarded costs – if successful. That’s an expensive ‘point of principle’ for us.
It seems a dreadful situation. We actually like the house and the worst of the problems could be so easily resolved. We must now consider vacating the property before the bad weather sets in again – to remain longer would weaken any case against the landlord and the letting agent. The landlord is inexperienced and his conduct and concern for our welfare has been quite despicable. The promises that he made to my wife and I were instantly forgotten and we would like to do whatever might be done, so that he is taught the lesson.
Please accept our apologies for the long post, is there anything that we could do, other than what the landlord and letting agent expects – that being to vacate and walk away? I feel that someone needs to make a stand here, to create some solid case law if necessary – to protect others faced with similar problems in the future.
Thanks in advance
Roy and Tania
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Sign Up15:06 PM, 20th August 2013, About 11 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Ben Reeve-Lewis" at "20/08/2013 - 11:31":
Interesting article Ben, especially as the case dates back to 1963 yet no statute exists to stop the practice. The suggestion by Arden - that protection under section 8 of the European Commission on Human Rights should be equally valid protection - seems logical.
Recalling our conversation and on how our claim could be assembled. We considered Wallace and a global award for their negligence with the simple repairs AND (combined with) a notional rent reduction (Shazad v Khan) where we have not received good value for the property as a result of the damp and mould infestation. That might be between 50% and 75% of the value - certainly for a sustained period. There are special damages for small items and an award for heating - where LL admits defects in the roof space. The bulk of our claim is likely to be as a result of the neglect, the subsequent harassment and the attempted re-possession attempts. By adding the bond and the 3x award, there is a probability that this will fall outside of the small-claims track.
some legalese too, about an enforcement order (just to keep things simple for us).
You're correct - the council should be doing much more and it's probably time to go back to the MP to apply more leverage on the EHO. Six months is excessive as they (the council) have already written to the MP that they will be seeking assurances... blah blah blah.
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Sign Up15:57 PM, 20th August 2013, About 11 years ago
Yeah, you go over £10,000 and you are into Multi track where lawyers live although I understand plans are afoot to raise it to £15,000 (Until April the small claims limit was just £5,000)
This is a good example of what Mark asked for earlier.....how much a disrepair claim can cost a landlord. Using the notional rent reduction calculation as in Wallace for a shower not working for 3 months and it can really ratchet up.
Further to my encouragement earlier even if a landlord decides to settle out of court it will make them think twice in future, so your actions will most probably help others too.
As to your council they are required by law to have an enforcement code in place. It might be worth grabbing a copy (It's probably on their website) so you can see if they have breached their own codes in leaving it so long without enforcement action themselves. When my EHO's discover a breach they write to the landlord giving them 21 days to get it fixed, if they dont then they can act. Councils also have powers (not duties unfortunately) to carry out works in default, in other words they fix it and bill the lanldord.
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Sign Up19:08 PM, 20th August 2013, About 11 years ago
Another case of retaliatory eviction, this time in a student HMO, has been posted here >>> http://www.property118.com/retaliatory-eviction-unlicensed-hmo/42509/
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Sign Up19:10 PM, 20th August 2013, About 11 years ago
aha, students. that sounds interesting. I have a lot of experience there.
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Sign Up22:52 PM, 20th August 2013, About 11 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "20/08/2013 - 19:08":
just a short update on this..
we placed funds with a solicitor today (thanks to Giles Peaker for the recommendation) and the fun begins. An LBA (Letter before action) should go out on Friday.
Taking Ben's comments on board - we searched the authorities website; plenty of rhetoric but no published policy per se. So decided to raise the issue with our MP on why the authority are so unwilling to assist, despite their one letter in exactly 6 months. That's currently in the 'ether' and will no doubt get a response from the MP in a couple of days. I'm sure that it would assist us to have the EHO and Housing Dept on board with us during our campaign.
So, what of ARLA and the NAEA? should we be a little bit more inquisitive and try to find out - exactly what they did with our rogue letting agent? I personally doubt that even an email was sent by either, much less a letter of reprimand. I can only imagine what the true affiliated members are receiving for their money.
what do you think Mark?
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Sign Up22:54 PM, 20th August 2013, About 11 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Roy and Tania" at "20/08/2013 - 22:52":
Hi Roy
I see no reason why you shouldn't stir the pot some more. Please keep us updated.
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Sign Up23:23 PM, 5th September 2013, About 11 years ago
Really can't be bothered reading all 7 pages of comments. But clearly seems more evidence why private landlords should not use lettings agents. With the rise of gumtree, open rent etc. the main purpose of advertising the property is taken care of for less than #50.
It's best to meet potential tenants yourself, remembering that a let-only letting agent doesn't care if your second months rent comes in
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Sign Up0:04 AM, 7th September 2013, About 11 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Roy and Tania" at "20/08/2013 - 15:06":
With all due respect to Roy and Tania,
I do partly sympathise with your position on this but I would ask myself some other questions were I in your position as follows:
1. Are our actions in pursing this case causing us further stress?
2. Is it better to invest our time and energy into moving to a new home where we will be happy?
3. Is the dampness or the house generally having an effect on our health?
4. Can we put a price on our health should it be affected?
Roy and Tania
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Sign Up15:20 PM, 12th September 2013, About 11 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "20/08/2013 - 22:54":
Good afternoon
Some time has passed since we last posted.
We sent our letters to ARLA and NAEA a couple of weeks ago but have not received any response to date.
For those recalling our little tale, we were served a second retaliatory s21 notice in an attempt to get us removed from the property - rather than affect repairs. We've challenged this once again with invalid dates and the late and incomplete service of the prescribed information accompanying the deposit protection certificate.
After a few delays we have finally just sent our LBA (Letter before action). We've quoted Ayannuga v Swindells (2012) as grounds for including a claim for repayment of the bond and a further 3x compensation for non-compliance. This feels like a milestone event for us and one that leaves us feeling that we are at last - in the driving seat.
Thanks to Richard (above) for the concern, but we're happy that this route is the correct one for us now. Maybe our LL will finally face up to his obligations and make us a responsible offer in the next few weeks...
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Sign Up17:12 PM, 12th September 2013, About 11 years ago
Hi Roy and Tania
Are any of the repairs better done in an empty house?