New EICR to cover any changes made by outgoing tenant?

Reply to the comment left by Daveknowstheregs at 10/01/2022 - 17:39
Your suggestions are your own, during this thread I have quoted Government guidance, NRLA and NAPIT. What you are saying is merely hearsay.
The documented NAPIT guidance does not match what you are saying. Could you call back whoever you called, and refer them to NAPIT's published 18th Edition EICR codebreakers.

I would love you to prove me wrong, and I mean that sincerely, because my personal thoughts are the electrician is best placed to make this call. But the regulations do not share this opinion. If you post back, can you quote which regulation supports your argument.

Reply to the comment left by michaelwgroves at 10/01/2022 - 18:15
You keep quoting NAPIT, I directly asked NAPIT and NAPIT’s reply was it is the inspector’s signature and recommended date of next inspection on an EICR, depending on what evidence the inspector finds at the installation, the inspector shall not be influenced by anybody else.

Are NAPIT happy about you incorrectly quoting them?

Reply to the comment left by Daveknowstheregs at 10/01/2022 - 18:14
Could you perhaps give one or two examples of findings that in your opinion would justify a recommendation for a further inspection in 12 months time but would not require a C or FI code?

Reply to the comment left by Daveknowstheregs at 10/01/2022 - 18:28
Have you read NAPIT EICR Codebreakers 18th Edition?
I'm not incorrectly quoting NAPIT, the following is from this publication. Page 84 para 2.
"Your Client, or the responsible person for their installation, can take the advice of a contractor into account, but the contractor is in no way responsible for any following issues which relate directly to electrical safety or frequencies of inspections. Sole responsibility lies with the Client or responsible person"
This position is echoed by the government guidelines and NRLA.
Whoever you spoke to does not know NAPIT's or the industries position. If you look back in this thread you will see NRLA and government links.

If you still think NAPIT is wrong, it would be helpful if you could backup your thoughts with hard facts.

Reply to the comment left by Seething Landlord at 10/01/2022 - 19:03
We are required to complete a risk assessment when recommending the interval. It's not done at a code level, it's a more holistic approach.
A domestic high risk installation would have some of the following;
Limited maintenance schedules in place
Short tenancy agreements
DIY modifications
History of damage
History of neglected installation
History of unsafe modifications

Reply to the comment left by Seething Landlord at 10/01/2022 - 19:03
I’ll give you 1 example, but there are a few. If a landlord has an older property, it may have signs of deteriorating wiring, obvious signs to a qualified inspector. Maybe not obvious to the landlord. The test results may be just within regulations, but the signs of cable deterioration are clear,,to the inspector. It’s then up to the inspector and him alone on how often he recommends the deteriorating installation to be checked.

The landlord can go elsewhere, of course, and he can ignore the recommendations, at his own risk, but the inspector has highlighted the issue to the landlord and so the inspector has correctly done his job.

Reply to the comment left by michaelwgroves at 10/01/2022 - 19:17
It’s getting boring now mate, why don’t you clarify it with NAPIT, so that you can be certain, same as what I did?

Ask NAPIT what NAPIT mean?

Reply to the comment left by Daveknowstheregs at 10/01/2022 - 19:35
NAPIT’s position is very clear, they wrote it down for us so there was no ambiguity. This is their definitive answer.

Reply to the comment left by Daveknowstheregs at 10/01/2022 - 19:25
Yes, even I can understand that. Presumably you would be quite specific when you give the reason for the recommendation in Part 5 of the report.

michaelwgroves and Daveknowstheregs - is it possible that you are both partly correct?

As I understand it:

1: the EICR can be used for various different purposes including owner occupied premises, where the date of next inspection is no more than a recommendation so the client as the responsible person can choose whether to follow it or not (Michael's position) and

2: the report obtained to comply with The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020, which does not have to be an EICR although it usually will be, must give the results of the inspection and test and the date of the next inspection and test; (Dave's position) which is then binding on the landlord - note the word "requires" in S3 (2) (b) that I have quoted below.

In both cases the inspector has to recommend the date of next test and inspection but in the first case it is up to the client whether he acts on it whereas in the more specific case of rented domestic premises the inspector's recommendation becomes a mandatory requirement.

S 3 (2) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1)(b) “at regular intervals” means—

(a)at intervals of no more than 5 years; or
(b)where the most recent report under sub-paragraph (3)(a) requires such inspection and testing to be at intervals of less than 5 years, at the intervals specified in that report.