Level C on EPC £££

Level C on EPC £££

17:02 PM, 27th December 2022, About 2 years ago 23

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Do most landlords realise the impact of the cost to get to a level C EPC if this becomes legislated as a requirement?

We have a property that was fully renovated 5 years ago to full building regs. It had 100mm insulation added in the floor and ceiling, 50mm insulation in the walls and fully double glazed etc etc.

We needed a new EPC to be carried out last week and it only achieved an E rating!

The cost of the renovation was just a fraction under £100,000 all in. If a property is older build it will not get anywhere near a C rating we would suggest.

Who is going to do all the work required on all the properties?

There are not enough workmen available at the moment and the cost will become unviable to keep a lot as rentals.

Charles


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John Docherty

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13:08 PM, 31st December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Ian Simpson at 31/12/2022 - 07:12
In terms of how they would know that a tenancy exists, in Scotland every property is registered. Also, your tax returns will mention you have property income so they can at least identify the individuals if not the actual addresses from that.

Old Mrs Landlord

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14:17 PM, 31st December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Ian Simpson at 31/12/2022 - 07:12
Councils can check the person paying the council tax against the Land Registry's record of the owner of the property, although this would not work for HMOs.. Presumably implementation of the revised EPC requirements will be as now, i.e. all advertisements for property to let must display EPC rating and properties which do not make the grade cannot remain on the rental market and this will be backed up by no BTL lending on non-compliant properties. Once S.21 is withdrawn, unless a specific new ground is added to S.8, the landlord's only recourse will be to sell the property to someone happy to live in it. I'm sure the tenants made homeless as a result and sleeping on the street or, if they're lucky, in a single B. & B. room, will thank the government for saving them from the misery of living in your D rated rental property!

DAMIEN RAFFERTY

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17:45 PM, 31st December 2022, About 2 years ago

Wait till the decent homes standards come into effect !
Even with EPC band C we have been quoted £4500 next year for our Gas and Electric with just 2 adults in the house.
Every tenant in the country will be demanding super insulated homes with low running costs.
The people in power have No Idea.
I can see tenants refusing to pay rent because it's expensive to keep warm.
We have A rated conbi boliers, cavity wall insulation, loft insulation, energy saving LED bulbs throughout and still only hit C on the EPC

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19:02 PM, 31st December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Ian Simpson at 31/12/2022 - 07:12
Property118 had a discussion on this recently Ian. They are a matter of public record. For example you can look at any properties that are in your street that have been sold or rented since EPCs came in.

SimonP

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23:13 PM, 31st December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by DAMIEN RAFFERTY at 31/12/2022 - 17:45
"and still only hit C on the EPC". Computer says 'No'. So what can you do?

Marcus J

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17:07 PM, 2nd January 2023, About 2 years ago

Epc C rating is too harsh , this will cause even more landlords to exit the industry causing rents to rise not forgetting landlords can no longer off set interest payments too , the government desperately need to do a u turn.

Epc rating D is more them acceptable

Reluctant Landlord

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8:44 AM, 4th January 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Contended Ted at 31/12/2022 - 19:02
unless you remove the EPC from the public register...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/energy-performance-certificates-opt-out-of-public-disclosure#:~:text=It%20is%20possible%20to%20opt,to%204%20times%20each%20year.

I read and interesting article on this in regard to privacy and data protection. As I read it, if the EPC is not on the public register the Council use the info contained within it for use for any other purpose (for example fining you for not reaching a C rating). You are also not obliged as far as I am aware of sending them the actual EPC if they request it either. The requirement would be to achieve a rating of C (or whatever it is going to be) NOT to have it listed on a public domain. By default they can't demand this info from you.

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8:48 AM, 4th January 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Old Mrs Landlord at 31/12/2022 - 14:17
There is no requirement for and EPC to have to be publicly available even if selling.

An EPC gives the exact address of a property. If your property was vacant that gives all the info to anyone that looks on the selling listing. Burglars/criminal gangs use this as a way of finding empty properties.

NOONE has to make an EPC publicly available. The ONLY legal requirement is to make sure one is carried out.

Old Mrs Landlord

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12:57 PM, 4th January 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by DSR at 04/01/2023 - 08:48
That's not the question I was addressing. My reply was, like John Docherty's, answering the question "how would they know the property was being rented out?". John's reply referred to Scotland, mine to England.

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16:04 PM, 4th January 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Rod at 28/12/2022 - 17:02
I think I will be heading down the exemption route too. I have yet to find anywhere that actually states what the requirement is for a room to be classed as under minimum room size and what rooms does this apply to (all rooms?)

By default all my rooms are in G2 listed building so are small and quirky. If I can use the undersized factor then great. I had visions of having to spend £'ss to get report to show that internal insulation would be detrimental to the properties.

Anyone know if costs that are required to get such professional reports are also factored into the £10k spend cap?

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