Landlords should not be allowed to let their own properties

Landlords should not be allowed to let their own properties

21:50 PM, 17th August 2012, About 12 years ago 55

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Landlords should not be allowed to let their own properties

I’ve recently had a heated exchange of emails with a chap called Mike who’s opinion is that “landlords should not be allowed to let their own properties”. I invited him to produce an article as he set me a challenge and I wanted him to offer his challenge publicly to the readership of Property118. Mike refused on the basis that we are self interest group and went on to say that he doesn’t expect me to agree with him “because you have a vested interest and are biased”.  There’s nothing to stop me writing the article though and summarising the points he made and the gauntlet that he threw down which I refused to pick up unless it was in public forum.

I know Mike is an avid reader of Property118 and even though we had some heated exchanges and several fundamental differences of opinion I will not reveal his identity. He may however, wish to post on this thread – he is a regular poster here under the pseudonym “Industry Observer”.

Mike made some interesting remarks in his emails along the lines of:-

  • You can’t do an MOT on your own car just because you own it
  • You can’t sell pensions unless you are authorised
  • You can’t perform surgery unless you are qualified
So why are landlords allowed to let their own properties?

And to quote Mike word for word ….

“What chance have private Landlords got of getting it right? I don’t blame them but I do think tenants need protecting from it. Housing is just too important in my view.”

And when I pointed out that a landlord takes on a lot more risk when he hands over the keys to his property than a tenant does when he pays his first months rent and deposit Mike said ….

“Depends if the house is safe of course, whether you have had the gas boiler gas safe registered in the last 5 years, will come barging in when me and my missus are in bed (drunk and with a baseball bat in your hand etc etc) and so on. You get the picture? What risk anyway? The Law is on tenant’s side but only short term all cards are in LL hand in long game.”

This is the gauntlet that Mike threw down ….

“You are convinced any private Landlord should retain the right to let their property and manage it themselves with minimal intrusion and interference from outside. Fine – forget you are an expert and socially conscious and legally aware Landlord. You give me 6 good reasons why these other not their fault necessarily but unaware Landlords should be allowed to. If you get past 3 I will be impressed!!”

Below are some extracts from the emails and the points I made to counter Mike’s arguments. Note that I did not take up his challenge, I want the landlord community to do that because I suspect that as landlords we are going to have to deal with a lot more people like Mike in the not too distant future. Politicians and the mainstream press will no doubt encourage it as it makes for good reading and potential vote winning campaigns. As landlords we are considered to be soft targets. We must unite and fight back!

  1. Mike, what’s your definition of a competent letting agent? I’ve walked into several letting agents offices with a national presence which are members of ARLA, NALS, SAFEagent, RICS etc. and I have been greeted by completely incompetent clueless bimbo’s offering advice on lettings to both landlords and tenants. These firms operate in every City and most towns. How would you stop this?
  2. If a licence was no more expensive or difficult to obtain than a TV licence I think that would be fair. Then, when landlords are found guilty of the types of criminal activities you have described below the licence should be revoked. Lesser offences are already punishable by fines, e.g. no gas safety certificate or failure to protect a deposit etc. With regards to lesser offences, licencing of landlords could operate on a three strikes and you are out basis. If it was made illegal for mortgage lenders to lend to unlicensed landlords and for Courts to take possession of any let properties from unlicensed landlords and sell them at auction that would certainly cut out 90%+ of the problems don’t you agree? Trouble is, that’s the concept on which legislation is often first discussed, then the do good numpties in Whitehall start bolting stuff on like exams, compulsory CPD, submissions to regulators etc. and economies go into reverse thereafter very quickly in real terms, viz financial services as a result of the FSA.

So, who wants to be first to take up Mike’s challenge?

You give me 6 good reasons why these other not their fault necessarily but unaware Landlords should be allowed to. If you get past 3 I will be impressed”


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8:14 AM, 27th August 2012, About 12 years ago

What is the difference between an electrician and a politician ?
What is the difference between a plumber and a councillor ?

give up ?? it's qualifications. an electrician, a plumber, butcher, pilot, doctor, surgeon...they all need qualifications.

the odd thing is the people that control us all don't even need a swimming competence certificate.
NOTHING IS REQUIRED TO BECOME A POLITICIAN except the gift of the gab. to sell himself to the qualified masses, to be accepted into one of the gangs known as a POLITICAL PARTY.

are they any different to the mods and rockers in the 60s causing mayhem in Brighton. the people of Brighton paid to clear up their mess.....
Labour, Lib Dem and Tories go to battle with each other and it's us that pay to clear up the mess.

now they could do with sub-contracting out. anything has to be better than those unqualified to run a country.

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12:26 PM, 27th August 2012, About 12 years ago

Sorry honeybunny but you just gave several good reasons why landlords should NOT be allowed to let their own properties. Otherwise I agree with Mark Alexander.

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21:05 PM, 27th August 2012, About 12 years ago

Hi, I'd like to thank Elaine for pointing out why we good guys have to go through cartwheels, when scary amateurs like her still ignore the law (big boyfriends and two fingers to Section 21 indeed!!). Sorry Elaine, but it's amateurs like you that get the rest of us into bother. Get some qualificationbs - ARLA do an excellent long-distance learning course - and grow UP!!

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14:50 PM, 28th August 2012, About 12 years ago

I can see Mark's point about licensing and couldn't agree more. I manage my own property, however, I, also, have a good relationship with my tenants, a good understanding of property law, a willingness to ensure that the property always stays in a good state of repair for the tenants, keep all of the relevant paperwork up to date and have a continued desire to learn and stay up to date with developments in the field. I've had issues with tenants previously, and had to take court action etc to evict, but have done so effectively, efficiently and legally.

There is no reason whatsoever why landlords, such as myself, should be banned from managing our own assets.

Now, Mark's point that there should be sanctions against those who are found to be incapable of effectively managing property does have some weight, in the same way that us landlords wish that there was a blacklist of tenants who are incapable of paying rent or looking after our properties. The greatest sanction would be banning them/refusing credit to them and rather than starting from a standpoint of "ban all owner-landlords", lets ban, fine and throw the book at landlords who prove themselves incapable of keeping up to date with the relevant legislation.

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15:54 PM, 28th August 2012, About 12 years ago

The best way is to allow them to rent to stop rogue landlords especially in London and other big cities in UK

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