10:43 AM, 20th May 2019, About 6 years ago 125
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And so the onslaught against private landlords continues. Earlier this month, we were shocked to hear that a cornerstone of tenancy law in the UK was to be overturned, with the scrapping of Section 21. Farcically, we were told that a consultation would take place after the decision had been made.
This was an unexpected move, as in fact the Government had been conducting one of their ‘post-decision’ consultations on the idea of ‘3-year tenancies’ (something Shelter had been pushing for). Section 21s had not even been on the agenda. Such is the floundering, knee-jerk politics of today, that a completely different policy decision emerged from it.
The abolition of Section 21s had been called for by the anti-landlord organisation Generation Rent. As part of their campaign, they deliberately misrepresented Section 21 by repeatedly referring to it as a ‘no fault’ eviction – such that this phrase is now used by everyone, as though landlords evict the clients they are dependent on to cover the costs of their businesses, ‘for no reason.’
In fact, as we all know, often Section 21 is used because it is the least awful solution to dealing with rogue tenants. The anti-landlord representatives say it means landlords can evict ‘at a moment’s notice’ when in fact, although it is supposed to take 2 months, the average time taken is 6-7 months if the tenant does not want to leave. During this time, the tenant is often paying no rent.
The reason the only other possible Section – Section 8 – is not used as often is because the tenant can raise spurious defences, for example lying that the house is in disrepair. The judge often then adjourns the case and the tenant gets even more months rent-free, while the landlord is pushed further into debt through no fault of their own – some even have to take out loans to cover the mortgage on the rental in which the tenant is living.
This is not only costly financially; a survey has found that private landlords’ mental health also suffers significantly because of, amongst other things, the way that the system is set up to enable these rogue tenants to ruin landlords financially, especially, as it is often the case they also wilfully wreck the property. Landlords’ mental health | National Landlords Association
This can cost landlords tens of thousands of pounds. No-one in Government is looking at this issue at all. The demonisation of private landlords has gone so far, hardly anyone in politics or the media is speaking up for them, despite them facing these gross injustices and the legal system completely letting them down.
And now, if, as is expected, the Government continues with its move to scrap Section 21, ‘charities’ like Generation Rent and Shelter will start pushing for the next punitive measure against landlords; the most likely contender for this is to somehow force landlords to take tenants on benefits, even if this is not the client group landlords wish to occupy their properties.
Shelter has been conducting a campaign on this for some time and various Government Ministers have jumped on the virtue-signalling bandwagon. Shelter has even been bullying landlords and letting agents into removing the words ‘no DSS’ from adverts and they also threatened to sue a letting agent, before the agent settled out of court, rather than face the stress and costs of a court case. Shelter now represents this as a legal victory and claims it is now recognised as discriminatory to specify ‘no DSS.’ It isn’t. Being in receipt of benefits is not a protected characteristic according to equal opportunities legislation. Settling out of court to avoid the stress and costs of a £60 million ‘charity’ hounding you through the courts does not create new law.
As part of their campaign on this, Greg Beales, Campaign Director at Shelter, has claimed that there is no evidence that tenants are benefits are ‘less-good’ tenants than others. There’s ‘no evidence that people on benefits are ‘less-good tenants’, says Shelter spokesman
He said that, given that, landlords and letting agents who do not accept those on benefits are engaging in ‘disgusting’ and ‘immoral’ practices. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/housing-benefit-renting-no-dss-shelter/
Such rhetoric demonstrates his ignorance. Of course as Shelter provides no housing to anyone, they would not have first-hand experience of the issues involved. As landlords, however, we know that there are many reasons why it makes no sense to accept people on low wages and/or on benefits. No amount of banning landlords and agents from specifying ‘no DSS’ will change these facts.
Some of the reasons why it often does not make sense to accept people on benefits as tenants:
This final point demonstrates how various forms of Government interference in the private rented sector are having the opposite results to the alleged intentions. One change causes landlords to not be able to take on tenants on benefits; the next tries to ban them from not taking on tenants on benefits. We all know the next will be rent caps. It is like trying to shove a lid on a boiling pot when it is about to boil over.
And at the same time that they are trying to ‘disallow’ landlords from having control over their own assets, are ‘disallowing’ landlords from offsetting their finance costs, and ‘disallowing’ landlords from choosing the tenants they want, they leave the social sector completely alone despite 61% of eviction notices actually coming from this sector 24housing and despite the fact that this sector also is moving away from accepting tenants on benefits.
As an expert on this said: “Shelter and the National Housing Federation are engaging in deliberate known deceit in their combined campaign over NO DSS in the private rented sector – A campaign that is so superficial it shames them both…Social landlords… do routinely operate affordability tests and they do refuse to accommodate the benefit tenant and thus they operate the same NO DSS practices as the private landlord.” https://speyejoe2.wordpress.com/2018/08/23/dear-polly/
Where is the hue and cry about that?
No. They turn a blind eye to this, because they are fixated to an almost manic degree on private landlords; a fixation which is already starting to wreck people’s lives by pushing them out of housing.
ameliahartman
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Sign Up20:12 PM, 8th June 2019, About 5 years ago
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Sign Up0:09 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
Thankyou for explaining that. We have found great variation in the amount of contact different tenants desire but I would agree that tenants who claim benefits definitely need a lot more landlord interaction and support, as well as patience and leniency regarding erratic rental payments and a willingness to tolerate aberrant lifestyles.
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Sign Up8:46 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
You sound like an excellent landlord Amelia and really know the “benefit tenants” rental market whether that be those completely unemployed or those receiving “in work” or “disability” benefits. I congratulate you on the way you treat your tenants and they are incredibly lucky to have such a knowledgable, understanding and hard working landlord as yourself.
Unfortunately for me I don’t have anywhere near the knowledge that you have in this area and no idea how Universal Credit works at all. I don’t know what additional support benefit tenants need and how to go about assisting them with their claims and understanding the cash flows issues they have receiving their rent allowances and making their rent payments. Not all, but I guess some of these social tenants have mental health issues and as a landlord you need to empathise and understand the many problems they have to cope with.
Unfortunately as a landlord I none of your skills or experience. If rent is two months late then I issue a Section 21 immediately. I don’t have sufficient cash flow myself to support a high level of rent arrears as I have BTL mortgages to pay and at present a good credit rating which I need to keep. I’ve always found that a polite but firm approach keeps my tenants in line.
My business model is not suited to accepting benefit tenants and was never set up as such. I have never let to students as I have no idea when the term starts/ends and how their grants are paid. Also what they require are in terms of furnishings. So I stay out of the student market.
I don’t know the HMO regulations and how to draw up HMO tenancy agreements and deal with multiple tenants on an AST. Hence I keep out of the HMO market.
I love going on holiday and frequently rent a nice cottage or apartment but no idea of what is involved as a landlord with such property. Hence I keep out of the holiday lettings market.
So until a few months ago I always advertised for “no DSS” (not allowed to do so now of course) because I’ve no knowledge of that specialised area of the rental market.
I prefer to only rent my properties to good quality professional “no benefit” tenants as that is what I understand. And my properties are top quality in good rental areas where the level of rent is high to reflect this. I rent at the higher end of the market because that is the type of properties I have. Why should I waste my time (which is limited by other commitments) looking at benefit tenant applications when I know they won’t fit my criteria ?
Monty Bodkin
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Sign Up9:10 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
" We usually get between 40 and 70 serious enquiries per property every time we advertise, arrange about 30-35 viewings, and around 28-30 of these actually show up. It is usually working people who are no-shows, and who turn up late, rather than DSS applicants. We ask all applicants to bring with them photo id, at least 3 months worth of bank statements, payslips or benefit entitlement letters, references, etc. If the people like the property and wish to apply for it, then we give them the opportunity to present their documents to us, and we look carefully through them, and hand them back and make brief notes. After all of the viewings, we ask everyone to contact us again after 48 hours if they still want to go ahead, and those that re-contact us, we credit check and those who pass, we choose from. We don’t just turn someone down because they are on benefits."
As a landlord who actually houses DSS tenants who has been posting on here for many years, I find your comments very hard to believe.
Monty Bodkin
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Sign Up9:13 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Dylan Morris at 09/06/2019 - 08:46“no DSS” (not allowed to do so now of course)
Says who?
No court has made such a judgement.
Dylan Morris
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Sign Up9:42 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Monty Bodkin at 09/06/2019 - 09:13
Letting Supermarket.
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Sign Up9:45 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Monty Bodkin at 09/06/2019 - 09:10Wow ...... 30 to 35 viewings per property, you must have an incredible amount of time on your hands Monty. You can’t be serious that on each viewing you check each persons bank statements, income and ID ? 30 to 35 sets of such documents. I really don’t mean any offence but I’m sorry I find what you’re saying hard to believe.
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Sign Up9:51 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Dylan Morris at 09/06/2019 - 09:45Sorry Monty just realised it wasn’t yourself and you were quoting Amelia’s post. Apologies.
Monty Bodkin
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Sign Up10:07 AM, 9th June 2019, About 5 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Dylan Morris at 09/06/2019 - 09:51
No worries Dylan, you're obviously the real deal and can see through the bullshit.
And I accept your valid point about agents pointlessly not advertising "No DSS".