0:10 AM, 7th July 2023, About A year ago 15
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Knowing that those who hate landlords will be spitting when they read this, I must explain why sharing the capital gains made from a rental property investment is nonsense.
This is the argument made in a recent article in The Big Issue, which claims that renters should get a share of the profits from a rented house sale.
The story obviously hit a nerve with Property118 readers – and the comments make for great reading, so I know I’m not alone in my thoughts.
We all need to understand that renting a property is a common choice for many people in the UK, especially in urban areas where house prices are high.
Some renters may feel that they are paying their landlord’s mortgage and that they deserve a share of the equity profits when the property is sold.
However, this argument is flawed and ignores the realities of the rental market and the risks that landlords face.
Let me spell out why landlords should not share equity profits with renters.
Or, as a landlord friend of mine says: ‘You paid your money and made your choice’.
I appreciate that landlords don’t get positive media because most non-landlords think we are getting money for old rope without appreciating the costs and time involved in running a rental property.
It isn’t easy – just ask the countless numbers who have tried it and bailed out.
Just ask the landlords with flats that have cladding on and have seen the value of their investment plummet.
Just ask the landlords who spend thousands of pounds and months or even YEARS trying to evict a non-paying tenant.
Does the non-payer deserve a slice of the profit made on an investment? Or the renter who trashed their home and caused thousands of pounds of damage?
Most tenants are great, respectful people but landlords deal with all sorts.
The capital gains made by a landlord will just about cover the cost of the stress, sleepless nights, money spent on pointless licensing schemes and refurbishing time and time again.
It might cover the times that the landlord and his/her family went without because they aren’t rolling in cash.
Let’s face it, landlords should not share equity profits with renters because renting is not the same as buying, equity profits are not guaranteed and sharing them would discourage investment and reduce supply.
Renters pay for a service, not an asset, and they should not expect to get something for nothing. (Can you hear the keyboard warriors warming up?).
Landlords provide a valuable service to society by offering housing options to people who cannot or do not want to buy their own homes.
They deserve to keep their equity profits as a reward for their investment and risk. If you want a share of any capital gains, put in the effort, save up and invest – and deal with people who don’t respect you and want to take what you have worked hard for.
Let the haters hate.
Until next time,
The Landlord Crusader
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Sign Up23:18 PM, 7th July 2023, About A year ago
the absolute maddest idea I've ever heard. Landlords invest in a property in order to make an income. Whether that's through increased equity or a monthly profit. Their asset is the property that's the gamble. Most landlords have mortgages on their properties and renting services that debt as well as other costs and has a margin of profit every month. I believe the idea is that as landlords are passing on cost increases to tenants while maintaining their monthly margin and benefiting from the increased value of the property, they are being perceived as having all of the reward but none of the risk. Perhaps a long-term view is needed at the moment where landlords are seen to be protecting good tenants with long leases and break even rents. This would do two things, show people that paying on time and looking after the property brings more security both financially and emotionally, It gives us a peace of mind in that, are the new tenants going to pay,? not trash the place or open a cannabis farm and burn the place down?. A good tenant is someone who thinks of your investment as their own home. When you come to sell, how many other landlords will want to buy your property with those sitting tenants? Looking after your tenants and them looking after you can add value to your portfolio. Instead of a landlord having multiple tenants in a property the right tenant could have multiple landlords over the years. Just my interpretation of the whole saga going on at the moment. Anyway I think it could work
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Sign Up8:28 AM, 8th July 2023, About A year ago
Jim (in the original article) should have bought the flat himself. But he didn't. Jim was fortunate that a landlord bought the flat because it enabled him to live there. Jim has not been paying the mortgage, Jim has been paying for a roof over his head. If Jim doesn't want to pay rent he can either buy or live on the street. People sell and buy services. We all pay for certain services we are not happy with but by law we have to pay them. Such as council tax, because a lot of us do not believe it is spent wisely. A lot of our national insurance pays large public sector pensions which is not fair. Etc etc we do not have a choice with these payments or a choice with what happens to the money. However Jim has a choice, he can buy or rent.
Mick Roberts
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Sign Up8:42 AM, 8th July 2023, About A year ago
I lost £200pm on lots of my houses in 2007 2008 for several years. Are these people paying me for that loss?
2 years ago, tenant been with me 20 years paying £650pm in 2021 said
Come on Mick, I bet you I've nearly paid your mortgage off now, u let me pay what your paying on the mortgage pm.
I said OK, I'm paying £950pm. Come on then, please do.
She went silent & said
What? Why would u be paying that?
I said There u go. You don't know what's going off on the other side. I'm paying that cause I want the mortgage paid off in 2 years. I've had enough of everything. Yes u have lived there long time & we nearly at the end of mortgage, but people don't understand the full story. I'm prepared to take loss now to get it back later. But I'm quite happy if u want to help me now & I'll help u later.
She said
Ooh I din't realise.
I don't hear anything from her any more on the subject.
So these Renters Groups, Unions, Sadiq Khan etc. have no clue.
And this is without the saving up, going without, no holidays for years. working Sundays at the beginning when buying the house, now the tenants home. Whos' paying us for that?
People think we have just 'got' this home/house for nothing. Yes some of us that have been doing it for years & took the chances years ago, some of us enjoy those fruits now. But how do u quantify the losses & stress & hassle we've had over the years?
Shall we tell Richard Branson we want a piece of his Necker Island 'cause we have flew on some of his planes? Surely someone just came along & gave him them planes, didn't they?
Keep carrying on Renters Groups, cause every time u talk, supply goes down for the lower earners/Benefit tenants & rents go up. Why u would call for the removal of Section 21 which will make it worse for the hundreds of thousands of tenants waiting & tenants wanting to move for years to come, beggars belief.
Let us get rid of bad payers quickly, your rents will come down & you will have plentiful supply. You stop a person having his own property back, u then have no property to start with.
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Sign Up21:29 PM, 22nd July 2023, About A year ago
Writing about John Bird's article and then posting another article in response, just gives foolish people (like Mr Bird) more valuable media space!
Best to ignore!
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Sign Up16:02 PM, 29th July 2023, About A year ago
Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 08/07/2023 - 08:42
exactly ! well said