Labour wants to ban tenant bidding wars – landlord explains why that won’t work

Labour wants to ban tenant bidding wars – landlord explains why that won’t work

9:51 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago 89

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The Labour Party says it wants the UK to outlaw tenant bidding wars for rented homes, adopting a New Zealand policy, the Party’s Shadow Housing Minister, Matthew Pennycook, says.

Several Australian states have also apparently followed suit and Labour says the practice ‘creates a competition among tenants’ which only benefits the landlord.

Mr Pennycook says: “Those tenants who lose out on a property because of bidding wars are in a worse situation.

“And those who manage to get a property by that method are often stretched to the maximum of what they can pay.”

Labour now wants to amend the Renters (Reform) Bill that is working its way through Parliament.

‘Tenants outbidding each other’

And on 5 Live Breakfast, Nottingham landlord Mick Roberts was questioned by presenter Rachel Burden over the bidding practice, when she asked: “Do you get your tenants outbidding each other for your properties?”

Mr Roberts replied: “I do, and I’ve had that in the past, but I don’t get into it. But I can understand why other landlords are doing it.”

He was then asked why this situation is happening and Mr Roberts replied: “Well, you’ve got a shortage of landlords and since 2015 there’s been this anti-landlord rhetoric and the landlords are packing up like wildfire.

“And now you’ve got a supply and demand issue – and we never know what is coming next.”

‘Going to get to tenants bidding against each other’

He added: “For example, in Nottingham we’ve got a selective licensing charge of £900 and for some landlords, if they’re going to get to tenants bidding against each other, then they are going to take that bid.”

Along with the prospect of Labour banning tenants bidding for a rented property, Mr Roberts asked Ms Burden whether we should also ban bidding on the shopping site eBay and ban house sellers when bidding puts the price up.

Ms Burden asked: “Having somewhere to live is kind of a basic human right and need, isn’t it? And if people are being priced out of the market, this is really problematic.”

Mr Roberts replied: “I agree, but is it the landlord’s job to provide that basic human right?

“The landlord’s job is to provide a home – they are not a charity. It’s not the council providing that home, it’s not a housing association, it’s a human being. And he can take his money elsewhere.”

Landlord advertising a property at a certain price

Ms Burden said that a landlord advertising a property at a certain price will know that the amount covers all the landlord’s costs and gives a buffer zone.

She then asked: “Then maybe there should be a system whereby you don’t allow people to come in and offer over that price.

“So, in other words, the landlord isn’t losing out. But you’re equally being fair to the renters.”

Mr Roberts said: “Well, you just hit the nail on the head. The landlord knows he’s covering his costs, but he isn’t because he doesn’t know what is coming next.

“Labour is proposing rent caps and if you look at Scotland, where they’ve done the rent cap, tenants have ended up much worse off from that. Now the new tenants can’t get a house.

“And when the landlord comes to rent it out again, he charges the most. And that’s what is happening in these bidding wars.”

‘Wait and see all the parties different manifestos’

Ms Burden said: “Obviously, we’ll have to wait and see all the parties’ different manifestos as to how they’re going to deal with this.

“But I guess that’s always been the case for any landlord. There’s always going to be some uncertainty for landlords.”

Mr Roberts replied: “There’s not as much certainty now and most of us are aware that a lot of Labour are anti-landlord, but you get rid of the landlord, and you’ve got no houses.

“You know, they’ve been calling for landlords to pack up and more great landlords are packing up when given the choice.

“There will be lots of landlords fighting for tenants – my tenants can’t leave me anyway, you know, I’m probably one of the rare ones.

“I want to sell a lot of my houses, but I can’t because they can’t get anywhere because of things like this bidding war.”

‘I won’t leave them in that position’

He continued: “I won’t leave them in that position because I’ve got morals and a conscience.

“But a lot of landlords, it’s something like 60% of landlords, don’t give rent increases, but because we don’t know when the next tax is coming from, I’ve got to get in as much as I can because I just don’t know.

“There’s no certainty anymore. I can’t even look after a family anymore.”

Mr Roberts added: “Lots of landlords are packing up and the more you talk about banning bidding wars and landlords not refusing pets, you’ll have no landlords left.”

Accepts that bidding wars happen

The chief executive of the National Residential Landlords Association, Ben Beadle, told BBC’s Newsbeat that he accepts that bidding wars happen but says many problems in the private rental market are due to supply issues.

He said: “You can’t go around banning everything.

“What I would say is we need to look at what’s forcing people to make these decisions.”

A government spokesperson told the programme: “It is ultimately for landlords and tenants to agree the amount of rent that should be charged when a tenancy begins.

“Our Renters (Reform) Bill will deliver a fairer, more secure, and higher quality private rental sector for landlords and tenants.”


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Peter

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11:08 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

When I started in 1984, rents compared to purchase price, the return was 10.4 %. Now it’s 6.7% on the same house.(But then interest rates went up to 17% in 1989 and I almost went under.)

In short, renting has became a lot cheaper relative to house prices.

I wonder if anyone has figures on rents relative to wages?

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11:11 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

This matter is just more rhetoric to drive an assumed "problem" to a prescribed "solution".

We are being played, we are always being played.

The problem is not caused by the PRS, it goes much much higher than that, but those who cause these problems are always looking to divert attention away from themselves.

A part of this "play" is that we are at a state of the country/western society, whereby there is an incredible amount of entitlement being being voiced from those who do not have upon those who do.

This is an ever more gradual process of moving to a socialist society, whereby everyone lives at the expense of everyone else.

If we do not understand that the narrative is about gas lighting us into guilt and having our inalienable rights removed then we will give consent for our property to be nationalised.

Bidding for property is as free market as one gets! What .gov wants is for everyone to be a slave to their terms and interfere with every transaction and social interaction we have. Hence, socialism.

The thing is, society has been coerced and cajoled into believing that the state is responsible for giving us a free lunch. The state is not a free lunch giver in any sense of the term and is in fact charging us double for our lunch without our knowing.

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11:14 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

As landlords we have been repeatedly punished over the years. BTL for me is a commercial venture, plain and simple.
Government is too big, the more civil servants there are, the more rules and restrictions come into place.
I would be happy to debate any politician on the following points. 1) I should be able to rent to who I want to so long as they are legally resident in this country. 2) I should be able to charge what I want. I am not forcing people to rent from me. The market will dictate the price attainable. 3) I should be able to hold whatever size deposit I want. Again the market will dictate. 4) A tenancy agreement should be viewed as a commercial contract, which when expired means the tenant moves out. I am contracting with adults not children, if they have the right to vote, they should be able to manage their affairs. 5) I should be able to refuse pets. As things stand, I am unable to do any of these, except for No3, which Labour also wish to remove. Over time I think many of us have forgotten just how restricted being a landlord has become. Not only do we need to push back on new legislation, but also we should be seeking to repeal existing legislation. Why should I not charge a larger deposit if there is a greater potential for damage from pets? Why should I not be able to reject a person because they are on benefits that barely cover their rent? Why should I have to serve more notice than the tenant serves me? I provide good quality, clean and well maintained houses. That is how I am able to charge a premium in the area I am in and for the most part attract tenants who wish to pay a little more for a better house (and hopefully maintain it better). The topic of everyone has a human right to a house, is talked about frequently. They don't have more rights to my house than I have, albeit that is the way we are heading. This government has and continues to be a disaster, but electing the opposition will prove even worse for Landlords. Imagine that Ginger Winger representing the UK on a worldwide stage? What has happened to this once great nation?

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11:21 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

Well said Mick.
If you get another chance on the airwaves maybe can you address tenants directly and tell them if they vote Labour the housing crisis will get even worse

Mick Roberts

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11:37 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Peter at 06/12/2023 - 11:08
Wow 1984. Yes I had them high rates on my own house in 1989.

And my yields were 14% in 2009, never bought anything unless I was doing about 14%.

Mick Roberts

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11:40 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Steve O'Dell at 06/12/2023 - 11:14
Yes we've been gradually drawn into this charitable status & forgetting why many of us started years ago-To make money & to give us something in 20 years time.
I've got loads of houses now I can't get back to sell cause the tenants can't get anywhere. Loads of savings plans I can't have me money back on.

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11:42 AM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by JB at 06/12/2023 - 11:21
They never give us enough time on the radio as they can see where this is going-Hang on a minute, he's making valid points that's it's not the Landlords fault why tenant can't get a house, let's cut him short.
My tenants know more rules come in, more expensive for them.

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12:00 PM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 06/12/2023 - 11:40The worry I have is the next government will make it even harder for landlords to sell their own property, while being forced to accept lower rents for never-ending tenancies. Meanwhile costs will continue to increase.
I am in a position to buy a few properties for cash, but have retired and can think of better and less stressful places for my money.

Caroline Ritchie

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12:02 PM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

I have had viewers try and offer me more money to get the property, I just won't entertain, if anything it makes me suspicious. They have told me what they do for a living, normal jobs, no big CEOs applying for my 2 bed flats. Once they are in and the realisation of how much it costs to run a home kicks in, that extra they offered will likely cripple them, if they have an unexpected financial obligation, their rent is the first thing that doesn't get paid and because the Government dictates what I can do with MY property, I can potentially lose up to 6 months rent, if not more depending on how they chose to leave it. It's a tiring constant battle and tenants hold all the cards. I hold my breath at the end of a month waiting until all rents in, thankfully all good at the moment.

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12:07 PM, 6th December 2023, About A year ago

Reply to the comment left by Steve O'Dell at 06/12/2023 - 11:14
They want to punish you for a perceived problem that you didn't create and to make it look like you are responsible.
This also conveniently hides the failures of those who are.

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