9:46 AM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago 26
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Hi there, we (my partner and I) are first-time landlords and tried to bite more than what we can chew by investing in an HMO buy-to-let investment. We soon realised that we aimed to dance before we could crawl or walk with the mounting admin work and huge bills to cater to, hence appreciate all the expert advice we can get on this forum, many thanks in advance.
This is a 6 bed two bath property let out room by room with rent per month including bills. The contract states a fair usage policy for the bills being £3000 per annum. The contract also states no use of electric/portable heaters.
During our inspection, we noticed electric fan heaters being used. Now the bills for gas and electricity have gone up to three times the allowed fair usage amount per month (if calculated pro rata basis). Estate agents have sent out emails on the excess usage and about the portable heaters. All the tenants claim they are not using excess and do not want to contribute to the excess.
We have also mentioned that we are willing to increase the fair usage considering the rising energy bills and want it to be fair for the tenants and the landlord and calculate accordingly. One tenant has put a fridge freezer in her room (the kitchen we provided already has all the white goods) which she may be within her rights to put it but denying usage of excess energy and not willing to contribute didn’t seem fair.
We recently had an HMO licence inspection and tenants were given notice and informed about the visit. On the inspection day, one tenant’s room was blasting hot with an electric heater on (probably all through the night) and him sleeping with the TV on in loud sound. He couldn’t hear us knocking several times and them opening the door with our key for council officers to view the room. The council officer was worried the tenant would suffocate with that heat which was around 35C and asked another tenant to switch off the heater.
We have calculated the excess based on their contract start date and the energy consumption per day as we have a smart meter, allowed 20% extra of the fair usage and then calculated for past four months and sent them to estate agent. Initially the estate agent was reluctant to send this to tenants saying we have to claim this from their deposits at their end of term when they vacate. After showing how soon they all will exceed the deposit amount with the alarming gas and electric usage, the estate agent was convinced and sent the calculations to tenants. Now the agent says the tenants all dispute the usage and do not give me further details.
Past – I do have contact number of one tenant (Room 5) whose number I had to take for ordering a new vacuum cleaner when old one was reported as not working. Since then another tenant (Room 1) took my number from the other tenant and contacted once that heating was not working. I asked them to report to agents and that was sorted immediately.
Present – Room 1 tenant messaged me saying that he got a call from agents about the excess usage and was asking all the details of what is included in bills etc and I politely explained to him about the council tax , water, broadband, communal cleaning and gas and electric bills. I also told him how properties in the same street are available for the same rent but excluding bills while we are providing including bills and about the fair usage.
I also told him that we incur huge mortgage, estate agent fees and also building insurance etc hence it is not fair on us too to bear the excess which has to be shared by all tenants. First he said he has no option but to pay up. Few days later he messages saying he won’t pay until we show evidence that he is using that from his room alone. I did not like his way of talk and politely said that we would communicate via the estate agent only from now on. Feel like this is going to stir up a lot of debate among tenants and everyone following the same stance stating they won’t pay up.
We cannot show evidence room by room as it is not sub metered and it is a shared accommodation. I shared all bills and calculations to the estate agents and tenants. It was a tedious effort to calculate on a spreadsheet room by room based on their contract start date and amount they owe us. I am thinking of asking the estate agent to send a written statement from tenants whether they are willing to pay or not.
My question now is, any advice on what is the best way to approach this situation now and going forward. Tenant from Room 1 contract ends in a month and half, hence would it be best we give notice and inform that the excess bills usage would be deducted from deposit. We are willing to be more generous in fair usage limit (apart from the 20% we already gave) if the tenants are willing to pay up only.
Is it good idea to communicate this via the estate agents? I sense that estate agents feel this is too much of work for them to deal with and they simply say that most landlords absorb the excess costs as a part of their portfolio. For us this is the only property and we put all our savings in it (clearly a bad idea now in hindsight). How can I work this out with estate agents so they work in a positive way for us. This property is fully managed by the estate agents.
As a long term solution we do want to sell up as soon as possible at least for breakeven price but current property market wouldn’t help due to negative equity. Hence we have to wait at least two years. Previous tenants (stayed for 9 months) paid up all excess duly and it was a company let agreement then. Since they vacated, we let it out room by room and the troubles started.
Please let me know if I am doing anything wrong here expecting the excess to be paid duly. What are my options here in recovering the excess bills? Can I issue a Statutory Demand for the amount after few more gentle reminders. Should I just accept the unfairness despite having a fair usage policy on contract which I can’t use. What would be best way to deal with this situation.
Kind regards,
YB
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Sign Up13:15 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Reply to the comment left by BTL Landlord at 28/02/2024 - 11:39
If you Google HMO heating controls there are various different ones.
I've only tried the Inspire Home Automation ones.
I currently have them in 3 houses, which is quite useful for comparison purposes. I'm planning to get another 2 this year.
The bit I really like is the amount of information they provide. A graph that shows what the heating is set to, what the temperature has been over the last 24 hours, when the boiler has fired up, how long it's run for, how often the tenants boost it, how much life the batteries have left in them, how many hours the boiler has run for over the last 30 days and the previous 30 days. Apart from changing the batteries the rest of it is fully adjustable from my phone or Chromebook. It's certainly saved a lot of journeys to the various houses and avoided bill shocks.
I've never sub metered the electricity but I do have very good apps for some of the houses with solar panels. They're good at revealing sudden unusual usage patterns.
Martin Thomas
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Sign Up13:34 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
S21. Relet on a different basis like the other houses in the same road.
YB
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Sign Up13:38 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Reply to the comment left by Jo Westlake at 28/02/2024 - 13:15
Very helpful 😊👍
BTL Landlord
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Sign Up13:53 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Reply to the comment left by Jo Westlake at 28/02/2024 - 13:15
Thank you
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Sign Up16:53 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Reply to the comment left by YB at 28/02/2024 - 13:38
I'm not sure if I'm allowed on this forum to provide specific product links, but I would google "time stat" and topupmeters for landlords as a starting point. You could also investigate student bill aggregators but this may require a joint tenancy.
Trapped Landlord
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Sign Up17:24 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Welcome to the world of licenced HMOs, the so called youtube mentors selling their courses would have you believe they are the best thing since sliced bread. In reality, you end up with a house full of people from different backgrounds and living habits clashing and guess who is in the middle of it all ? , not to mention the threat of the local environmental health officers holding a sword over your head. If it wasnt for the capital gains , I would have sold mine years ago. Anyway , for me it's a case of damage limitation and anything for an easy life. The bottom line here is that tenants could not care less how much your bills are , as far as they are concerned, they want their moneys worth and want to be comfy. I've even seen convertor heaters on in every room , all but one had the windows open, this is as well as the gch being on. While ever the power points are unmetered , you will not be able to relax. I now pay for all bills except electric, which are now sub metered.
JB
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Sign Up17:45 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Reply to the comment left by Jo Westlake at 28/02/2024 - 13:15
I used to use Inspire Home Automation and the data showed someone was frequently boosting the heat every hour through the night. This was before energy costs rose.
Since then I've let to a single group of 6 students who are on one contract and pay all their own bills.
If your HMO is near a college or Uni this may be your best option.
YB
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Sign Up18:16 PM, 28th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Reply to the comment left by JB at 28/02/2024 - 17:45
Thanks for your inputs JB.
Ours is near Uni however getting a large group of 6 students / tenants is a challenge. Also the void period losses between tenancies waiting for the group of 6 is also difficult. Although the properties are advertised well in advance , it’s either the tenants want to move in right now or want it after couple of months when the property is available right now .
As Trapped Landlord said , the harsh realities of the world of licensed HMOs are learnt the hard way .
Metering every room for Electricity is the most effective way I believe after all the inputs I hear in the forum.
Out of curiosity, what is the average void period between tenancies? Ours was 2 months.
Harlequin
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Sign Up2:36 AM, 29th February 2024, About 9 months ago
Your current supplier can provide this, they will change the meter at a cost - top ups on line. Simple. Old style usually is.
I'm pretty much out of this market now - just 2 left, one now pays all 'consumables'. It has become so complicated, expectations of tenants are so high - their safety requirements are well over our own and all those jumping into the market not knowing which way is up has really caused more issues. It was just so simple. In the 20 years I ran the 9 bed one I did not have voids, tenants stayed for years (one 15 years) very high standard, enough bathrooms to refurb one without disruption, rooms painted and needed no more, appliances changed rather than constant repairs, I was able to jiggle the rents up and down with the market to avoid waiting for the extra £20. I enjoyed it - I did not enjoy changing door furniture one year and 5 years later told to change the door, change the locks then told to remove the old lock even though it was disabled, put in heat and smokes linked, then told to have them remote, then back to linked - or put 'fire door' on all bedroom doors - it was just too much it stopped being their home and too much interference.
When new tenants arrive I make sure they know I'm open to help and listen but 'I am not your mother'. Worth reminding.
GW
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Sign Up11:35 AM, 29th February 2024, About 9 months ago
I've 4 rental properties, 3 houses and 1 HMO. The houses basically run themselves as I'm more or less just responsible for buildings insurance, gas safety and maintenance.
HMO as said by others a very different situation. Rooms in my area are £500-525 per calendar month, all inclusive.
I've always ran this HMO on providing CH for set hours during the Winter and all 5 rooms have panel heaters and sub coin meters for any electricity used within the rooms. I'm currently averaging £80 per week per room. I know what happens when energy is free, used and abused as its human nature, unfortunately. I negotiate with the 5 tenants, ok they all think I'm making a killing but deep down they know the costs of energy, appliiance supply and replacement etc. They didn't want to go the inclusive route so an agreement from all (only way it works) to pay 1£ per day each and I provide CH for 6 hours per day for as many months that they want, collectively.
It's still about £100 per month short but I have to supply constant hot water so I consider it OK.