9:36 AM, 4th March 2019, About 6 years ago 63
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I came across this posting on another forum and wanted to share it with P118.
“Sian Berry, The Green Party’s London Mayor candidate plans to introduce a right to buy for tenants. Sian Berry has been influential to Sadiq Khan, The London Mayor who has adopted Green policies and also Jeremy Corbyn so there is a risk this could become Labour policy.
I would encourage you to challenge them publicly on social media about it. They are responsive to adverse publicly and this needs to be nipped in the bud. Search on twitter @sianberry @sajeraj and @tom_chance
A Right to Buy and to Co-op for private renters
Dear All, this is based on the work Tom Chance and I did with Sian to produce this report: We’ll be consulting a number of housing organisations and other relevant parties on this as well.
Motion title – a private renter Right to Buy and Right to form a Housing Cooperative
Synopsis: Private renters are often left without control over their housing situations. This motion seeks to establish a Right to Buy for private renters and Right to form a Housing Cooperative in order to improve the control, conditions and finances of private renters.
Motion text:
Private renters in a house of multiple occupancy (HMO) will have the right to form a cooperative in order to exercise a right to buy from a private landlord. They would receive a discount on the cost of the home that would be paid out of the landlord’s capital gain. Renters would also have the option of contracting with an existing housing co-operative to manage their home. Tenants that chose the co-op option would still be protected by the same tenancy provisions, including secure tenancies and rent controls.
Cooperatives will be provided 5-year loans to help co-ops buy properties. After those 5 years the co-op would have gained sufficient equity in the property, and have a financial track record, to be able to secure better deals from ethical and other lenders. Loan and grant funding will be provided for property improvements and extensions. A Green government would also work with existing housing co-operatives in London to leverage their asset base and their cash holdings to support new co-operatives.
Private renters will have a Right to Buy their home from their private landlord. They would receive a discount on the cost of the home that would be paid out of the landlord’s capital gain. The price the renters buy at should not be less than the original price the landlord paid plus expenditure on subsequent improvements and inflation (CPI), so that no landlord can make a loss. Landlords with between one and three properties should also be entitled to financial advice including an assessment of their options to achieve income or capital growth in more socially productive investments. The Right to Buy would be limited to homes that are at least 25 years old, to avoid deterring investment in new build properties. Homes bought through this mechanism will have a covenant applied restricting the resale price to the original price paid plus inflation (CPI) to preserve future affordability.”
My initial thoughts are (after “OMG, FFS!”)
– “left without control over their housing situations” – except for minimum 2 month’s notice, no retaliatory evictions, able to reclaim rent & deposit and sue LL if they cock up, free legal advice at court, HHRS, compliance with licensing regs etc etc
– HMOs tend to have more transient tenants by nature – why would they buy? What happens if one “owner” wishes to move on? Will other tenants be obliged to buy them out? If so, who’s going to fund that? What happens in a falling market?
– What would happen in a HMO with say 6 tenants, 5 of whom want to buy but the 6th doesn’t? Will they evict the 6th tenant or buy as a group of 5, thus making the 6th tenant a lodger? Will lodger’s have a right to buy?
– Why should LLs take the risks, finance the properties/maintenance/refurbs, save for the initial investment with the aim of making a living, only to hand over the profit to people who have taken no risks or made the sacrifices to save for the investment?
– How will they balance the loss of revenue to HMRC for reduced CGT and Income Tax on rental profits?
– Para 2 infers that they will bring in secure tenancies and rent controls which will mean more LLs leaving the market and higher rents.
– Who will fund these 5 year loans? Taxpayers? How will the Treasury do this out of reduced receipts? Who’s paying the legal & SDLT or will that be covered by taxpayers too?
– Their assumption that the property would gain sufficient equity in 5 years shows their total lack of understanding of property. After 10 years, some areas in the UK have not got back to pre-crash levels. What happens if the tenants default on their mortgage – how will the lenders feel about pursuing 4,5,6+ mortgagees? Who do they expect will pay for loan & grant funding for property improvements and extensions? Will every home owner in the country be eligible for these loans, or only those in a HMO Co-Op?
– The 5 yr initial mortgage for this RTB would have horrendously high repayments – especially in London/SE – where many HMO Tenants may well be claiming LHA – hence any repayments would need to derive from net earned income – whilst also satisfying the strict MMR lending criteria.
– They state we would get PP + improvements + inflation so we don’t make a loss – but why would anyone become a LL to just break even?
– Fab! We can get financial advice on how to achieve income or capital growth in more socially productive investments. But they don’t say this will be free financial advice (nor what they consider profit-making socially productive investments).
– The majority of homes in this country are over 25 years old. It will deter investment in new builds as no LL will invest. And what about all the hundreds of Rent to Buy apartments that are springing up all over the country?
– Does the R2B means that tenants can force the sale of a property without the LLs consent? Can the LL evict tenants to prevent the forced sale? Or evict them so he can sell on the open market (perhaps giving tenants first refusal)?
– Compulsory R2B would mean the mortgage market drying up as lenders won’t want to take the risk of a LL having their property effectively confiscated. This would cause a market crash and another recession.
– As someone else has pointed out: There will be a form of securitisation from collectives’ loans. So as Lehman Brothers proved so successfully lending millions of loans to uncreditworthy people does not give you a credit worthy product. What it does do is allow you to slice and dice the risk better. But who takes the last tranche? Would tax payers?
– This is an asset-grab for political gain and nationalisation by the back door.
Heather
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Sign Up14:13 PM, 9th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Cristian Stoian at 09/03/2019 - 10:19You're right. Many LL's would end up with negative equity, unable to repay their loans. New financial crisis would result.
Mike
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Sign Up14:41 PM, 9th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Do we allow ourselves to be subjected to official abuse, bullying, and daylight robbery? stand for your rights, fight back, protest at this gross obscenity being motioned.
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Sign Up14:48 PM, 9th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Mike at 09/03/2019 - 14:41
You could even argue it’s discrimination against landlords........
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Sign Up17:19 PM, 9th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Mike at 09/03/2019 - 14:41
Join the Landlords Alliance, the only organisation which is fighting back.
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Sign Up10:32 AM, 10th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Laura Delow at 09/03/2019 - 09:32
Thank you Laura for your very useful and detailed information. I probably haven't clarified enough of the facts but I think I will have to pay CGT. I was a council tenant at the flat from 1986 to 1995 when I bought it for 12,500 pounds. The council were planning to knock the estate down and sell the land rather than have the huge expense of renovating it.(it was nearly impossible to get a mortgage and they had done minimal repairs for years) However, the tenants and residents association campaigned for years to save it and it was completely revamped eventually. Meanwhile, the area suddenly became fashionable and the flats desirable.
I continued to live in the flat until 2005 when I went abroad to live for 5 years, renting out the flat but fully intending to return and live there myself. However, I then decided to live with my partner, and rents had risen a lot, so I totally refurbished the flat to appeal to young professionals.
Since then I have had brilliant tenants who always pay the rent and I have been able to retire early (I was a teacher).
Because I was a council tenant for the first 10 years I don't know if this would be offset against CGT and I only actually lived there as a leaseholder for 10 years. (even though the total was about 20 years) Also, because I only paid 12,500 for it the CGT would be enormous!
London rents for purpose built, spacious 3 bedroom flats in East Dulwich are very high (I was told to charge 2000 a month, but I think it is too much so I ask for 1700) so it is enough money for me to live on without working as I have now no mortgage to pay on the flat. If I were to sell it, I would not have enough money left to buy a flat where I could rent it for enough to pay the mortgage on the house where I now live. All my financial calculations for the mortgage on my house depended on my flat being valued at 400,00 and the income from the rent.
So you can see my problem. Whatever happens, I'm not going to stand by and see my flat given away to tenants for 12,500!! As someone has suggested, I could rent a room to myself, now that the council has deemed it an HMO .(the tenants currently have a shared leasehold tenancy because it wasn't an HMO when I first let it)
Let's all hope this stupid scheme just doesn't happen anyway!
Thanks to all for your helpful comments.
Mike
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Sign Up20:16 PM, 10th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Don't worry Lenin, we won't let it happen. We will do everything we can to oppose this thuggery by our bloody MPs whom we trusted to serve us justly, we will kick them out first, next election.
steve p
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Sign Up15:30 PM, 13th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Mark Alexander at 04/03/2019 - 12:35
I like your thinking, showing these idiots that it can easily and legally avoided I think is the best way to shut down this type of policy thinking.
The unforeseen side affect with all these people rushing to accountants and solicitors is actually they will take advantage of using limited companies etc to save on tax.. Because of Section 24 and the move to a limited company structure for my last purchase I have actually saved a couple of thousand pounds in tax, I would never have bothered with a limited company and would not have saved that tax if S24 had not come into force.
Mandy Thomson
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Sign Up17:20 PM, 13th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 04/03/2019 - 16:32
If the Green Party were truly green they should be in favour of small landlords renting out existing housing rather than the environment being blighted by building new homes, or am I missing something? Never could understand their aversion to private landlords.
Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118
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Sign Up17:25 PM, 13th March 2019, About 6 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Mandy Thomson at 13/03/2019 - 17:20
It’s because they are “Melons”; green on the outside but red on the inside
Mandy Thomson
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Sign Up18:01 PM, 13th March 2019, About 6 years ago
If this lunatic scheme is to be made available to lodgers, that might mean Corbyn being forced to sell his home (or equity in it) to his lodger??!! Yay, bring it on!! 🙂