EPC policy…the road to tenant hell?

EPC policy…the road to tenant hell?

14:25 PM, 1st December 2022, About 2 years ago 26

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Like being obliged to have an EPC to rent a property.

So, I’m a landlord and a homeowner. I have in the distant past been a tenant. When I buy a home, I get a full survey to tell me about the structure of it, whether it’s worth the money, what problems there might be. In theory a survey telling me something about energy use isn’t a bad idea. But energy use isn’t the only factor. Energy security is another. If the electricity goes off, can I still heat it? Does it have photovoltaics or a solid fuel stove? And can I still boil a kettle so is there a gas hob? As the occupier, do I have some choice over energy use?

Having a report available online before I decide to go and view the property may save me a bit of time. In reality, I will find out from the surveyor before I purchase but it’s nice to know a bit more about the property before I fork out £500-1000; as a tenant having better information on the property might help me make a good decision. But only if it’s good information and only if I have choice.

In practice, as a landlord the last time I had to do an EPC I read the report and knowing the property well I thought “…that’s b******s.” The EPC report was relying on assumptions that were wrong; some of the recommendations would damage the property but there were other things that could be done that would be more useful in energy performance terms either to me as an owner-occupier or to a tenant that weren’t mentioned at all in the EPC. The tenants never commented on the EPC anyway and I doubt they would have understood it even if they’d read it. Having an EPC allowed me to rent the property so having an argument with the EPC assessor over the report was pointless; the EPC was just ticking a box and having ticked that box and supplied an EPC to the tenant to be legally compliant we all ignored the EPC for the worthless piece of paper that it was. We just focused on important things, like servicing the gas boiler, ensuring the property was safe for the tenants.

Whether it’s driven by concerns over climate change or concerns for tenants’ energy bills there are some proposals out there suggesting that at some point in the future a landlord might not be able to rent a property if it doesn’t meet EPC band C. Most properties are at EPC band D. As a landlord, the main reason I’m on Property 118 is to learn more, stay ahead, be able to plan for the future. The best bit of information I’ve been able to find about the EPC system via a Google search is this one.

But this document tells me that the EPC system is a Black Box. It relies on you putting information into some kind of computer system which then throws out garbage that you ignore because it’s not useful. As a landlord I’m trying to plan. What should I do if anything? What is it going to cost me?

When it comes to cost one of the key things I’m interested in is not just what improvements am I likely to be obliged to make to move from Band D to C: It is also, will these improvements all be treated as capital expenditure (that I have to finance from further borrowings) or revenue expenditure that I can deduct from rents and carry losses forward to future years in the normal way. I can’t find the answer to that question.

On the basis of the only information I can find, it’s likely that if I am obliged to meet Band C I am going to have to remove the tenants to do it. It also looks as though I can’t deduct all of the expenditure so that means when I put tenants back in (*if* I put tenants back in) then that will be at a much higher rent. There will be an extended void period so the tenants will have to find accommodation elsewhere and if lots of landlords decide not to rent anymore that will help to drive rents up. Tenants will be faced with higher rents so they will probably not benefit from better EPCs. They will just trade a vague promise of lower energy bills for the certainty of higher rents. And that’s even before you consider their energy security.

How much better would it be if there was no obligation to move to band C but you had an EPC system that actually worked? If tenants had a choice that effectively said, “…you can rent this property if you want to but you may have higher energy bills.” Of course, that system does rely on having an EPC system that works and a black box that does not spit out garbage that is not useful.

If tenants had such a system…a system where they could continue to rent even below Band E but they had useful information on energy bills…then tenants would have greater choice. Anything that reduces tenant choice and reduces supply is going to drive rents up. Not having costs of improvements tax deductible, including the financing costs, is also going to drive rents up just as rents are being driven up by higher finance costs now.

So, does anybody on Property 118 know what the tax treatment of all the costs required to finance EPC improvements to move from Band C to D is going to be?

If so, can you please enlighten me and everybody else.

Beaver


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Graham Bowcock

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16:05 PM, 2nd December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Martin Harrington at 02/12/2022 - 15:51
Sadly, that's not correct. If the cost is too high, then the landlord can apply for an exemption. High cost is £3,500, including VAT, so not really that high.

There is a register of exempt properties; my mother's house is on it.

Andrew Martin Harrington

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16:11 PM, 2nd December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Graham Bowcock at 02/12/2022 - 16:05
I would check how long the exemption has been registered as it does not last for ever.

Andrew Martin Harrington

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16:24 PM, 2nd December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Dr Rosalind Beck at 02/12/2022 - 13:33
Hello. If you need to get your property back- You need to serve a section 21 plus other documents which includes a Valid EPC to the tenants. I would not give this information - if i was not making landlords aware or this situation as I have to deal with this each week. I am an Domestic and commercial Energy assessor and trying to get access to properties is s nightmare for both myself and the Landlords.

Old Mrs Landlord

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17:20 PM, 2nd December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Martin Harrington at 02/12/2022 - 10:51You yourself Sir may make sensible suggestions for improvements but there have been many instances of assessors recommending cavity wall insulation in homes with solid walls, loft insulation in flat-roofed houses, suggesting insulation improvements which have already been made or were built into the original structure or would cost tens of thousands and save only £15 a year, not to mention refusing to accept photographic evidence of work done and attested to by local tradesmen. If insulation is not easily visible at a glance, frequently no effort is made to undertake the simplest investigations and items are marked "Assumed".. Furthermore, some landlords have invested in the recommended heat pumps to replace storage heaters at great expense, only to find the result is an even-lower EPC rating than they started with! These are the experiences which cheese landlords off as far as EPCs are concerned.

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17:56 PM, 2nd December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Dr Rosalind Beck at 02/12/2022 - 13:33
The old catch 22.

Chris Bradley

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7:15 AM, 3rd December 2022, About 2 years ago

I have a flat fully refurbished in order to get an EPC of C. Since the energy price increase the tenants have simply stopped using the heating, and the flat is now full of condensation. The are supplied with a dehumidifier as being students they would dry clothes on radiators, now they have stopped using the dehumidifier due to the cost. The flat is cold and getting damp from all the moisture from the condensation/wet clothes around for days. No matter what the EPC the tenants will simply stop heating the property, and leave when the moisture gets so bad the flat will need to be gutted to get rid of black mould which is building up and being ignored because the tenants are too cold to take care of it.

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13:14 PM, 3rd December 2022, About 2 years ago

The bit of this complex picture that confuses me is this: with leasehold flats in conservation areas (which the majority of my rental properties are), many of the upgrade measures people are discussing here are not possible (either due to being visually intrusive or are the responsibility of the freeholder, such as windows ...).
So where does that leave such properties that are deemed below an EPC C? Unrentable, or ultimately unsellable?

James Vai

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19:12 PM, 3rd December 2022, About 2 years ago

Whilst EPC legislation to move to a 'C' is not yet in statute and may get watered down by ammendments not yet heard.
However I am not holding my breath.

None the less I am worried that it might not be possible to get my property upgraded from a 'D' to a 'C'
The reason being it is a mid-terraced house with a flat roof.
I have just replaced a combi boiler and now compliant with the Electrical regulations, amongst others, paying for a new consumer unit.
The 2 external walls do not have insulation, internally all floors are carpeted with good quality rubber insulation.
All light fittings have led lamps including the spotlights.
Am I correct in saying that there is a spending threshold of £20,000 for improvements?
I believe to install a new roof would exceed this threshold?
Is it a matter of getting a written quotation and submit it to the relevant authorities (whoever that may be, HMRC, maybe?)

Or has anyone any ideas that would do the tick?

Smiffy

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10:47 AM, 5th December 2022, About 2 years ago

Insulation and upgrade costs.

I would claim for the full amount as an expense in the financial year you did it. If queried, you can justify this as it is required in order to keep the property letable.

It is not a capital upgrade, like an extension would be, it is a maintenance cost. to maintain the property in a letable state.

I suppose if you kept the property for over 8 years, and then sold it, you could re-use the invoices as a capital expense as you'll have shredded the old accounts by then anyway!

Beaver

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10:41 AM, 7th December 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Martin Harrington at 02/12/2022 - 10:51
On your comment:

"You cannot serve a notice for your property without a valid EPC for that property..."

So the bottom line is, in order not to get "...a bit stuck" as you put it a landlord has to serve notice on the tenant before the EPC becomes invalid.

I can't see how that helps any tenant anywhere.

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