Electrical certificate – replacing all the sockets?

Electrical certificate – replacing all the sockets?

0:02 AM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago 26

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Hello, I have recently received a satisfactory electrical certificate. However, one recommendation is to change all the sockets due to age.

The flat was built during the copper problems with aluminium conductors (still in very good condition) as I am going to change my tenant I am hoping to do all the recommendations.

Can I use a standard 13 amp cover or is there a special one? It’s a massive disruption to fully rewire.

Thank you,

Peter


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Chris Bradley

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9:32 AM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

If you yourself make any changes to the wiring you would need to have it checked and certified as safe.

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10:11 AM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Surely the company who did your safety check could answer this. As a non electrician or electrically minded landlady any recommendations flagged up on my inspections I generally refer back to the company. It's them making the recommendation and although perhaps not mandatory, it might be a false economy if you do eventually need a full rewire (however disruptive).

Dennis Forrest

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10:28 AM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Whilst you are changing all the sockets why not pick the best. Double pole switched sockets are the best because they switch both the live and neutral wires and not just the live wire.
They are not that expensive either: £3.89 each from Screwfix. You might get cheaper elsewhere on a large order
MK LOGIC PLUS 13A 2-GANG DP SWITCHED PLUG SOCKET WHITE (15747)

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11:51 AM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Basically if you got a satisfactory certificate that is the end of it for 5 years. If the sockets are mentioned on the EICR certificate they will be as a C3 recommendation not a requirement. If they were dangerous you would have not got a satisfactory certificate. It’s the same if you have a plastic consumer unit, you currently don’t need to change it if it is undamaged and functional. Even if you did change the sockets your EICR will still mention them unless you pay to get the electricians back in to re-inspect and issue a new one.

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13:58 PM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Bear in mind that changing the socket outlets does not imply a re-wire. In most instances (assuming connections are not cut too short) it should not take an electrician more than 10 minutes to change one outlet and so it is hardly a big job to change all of the socket outlets - if that is in fact necessary, and clearly their condition has not been flagged up as a C1 or C2 fault requiring immediate action.

Dennis Forrest

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18:16 PM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by OrangeGrouse at 20/04/2023 - 13:58
I may be wrong but this is the kind of job you can DIY. You are not installing any new circuits, just replacing existing 13 amp sockets with better ones. It is also only a 10 minute job per socket for a competent DIYer. I have changed some of the sockets in my own house for the type that also include 2 x USB phone charging sockets. No part P certificate is needed for such jobs.

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21:25 PM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Dennis Forrest at 20/04/2023 - 18:16
In your own home you can get away with it, but the whole point of a valid EICR is that sockets are tested and you alter any of the electrics afterwards you have invalidated the EICR.
I could easily change an electric shower, but I cannot produce the minor works certificate that is required by the council.
I recently had a socket changed as it was faulty and the electrician sent a minor works certificate to the council

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23:22 PM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Chris Bradley at 20/04/2023 - 21:25I don't notify my council of anything apart from council tax for void periods. Are you housing council tenants or something? Why would the council want to know you have had a faulty plug socket changed by an electrician?

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23:53 PM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Dennis Forrest at 20/04/2023 - 23:22
It's UK electrical regulations that when there is an alteration to electrics within a.buildinv that a minor works notification is completed. One copy to the customer one to the council. It's part of building regulations and has been for decades. even applicable in your own home not just tenanted. (Although many customers don't ask for one and only really good electricians will complete one if not requested) Legally no one is supposed to mess with the wiring in a property (although many do) unless they are registered as part of the competent person scheme. Sadly if no appropriate documentation it can have knock on effects on insurance validity in the event of a claim, and can affect future house sale if discovered. Of course weither it would be discovered is another thing - but if a tenant is aware that a landlord has done a DIY job on the electrics and reports it, it would invalidate an EICR and that is now a legal requirement.

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23:59 PM, 20th April 2023, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Chris Bradley at 20/04/2023 - 21:25
Changing a socket does not require a minor works certificate as it is out with the scope of part p of the building regulations.

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