9:11 AM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago 114
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Ever since the Summer Budget we have been encouraging Property118 members to actively lobby their local elected officials to explain the real life consequences of Clause 24 of The 2015 Finance Bill (Restrictions on Finance Cost Relief For Individual Landlords).
The vast majority of responses have been gratitude for highlighting the consequences of clause 24 and the increased homelessness issues it is likely to create. Slowly but surely we are amassing a growing level of public sector support, and concern in terms of how the consequences of a shrinking or stagnating private rented sector will affect local economies and homelessness as of 2017 when the new legislation begins to get phased in.
Below is the shocking response received from Councillor Chris Devine (Conservative – Wiltshire) to a very polite, very well worded report sent to him by one of our Property118 campaign team members.
“So Gareth, how many properties do you own? Your email is deeply flawed, do you seriously believe that the `buy to let` brigade give a fig for those they are exploiting with high rents and short tenancies.
Stop thinking about your own pocket and think about society, you lot are nothing, but, parasites and the sooner you are taxed out of existence the better.
Just because I am a Conservative does not mean that I do not have a social conscience, well done to George Osbourne. As for you. Try doing some public service and stop snivelling.
Chris Devine, Cllr”
Needless to say, we were shocked!
We asked Cllr James Fraser (Conservative – Stevenage), who has been incredibly supportive of our campaigning, what could be done.
Cllr Fraser immediately wrote the following email to Cllr Chris Devine …
“Dear Cllr Devine,
I refer to your recent email to Gareth Wilson, a friend of mine who, like me, is somewhat surprised by the level of rudeness and ignorance shown in your response (not to mention the lack of grammatical skill nor the simple ability to spell Osborne).
Gareth had correctly tried to bring to your attention the impossible position small investors and businesses were being put in by some government policy that, directly or indirectly, several million people will be affected by over the next four years.
Perhaps not surprisingly, you have proven how little an understanding you have of the situation. Has it not occurred to you that many of your constituents, even people who voted for you, are investors in homes? Do you feel that the large percentage of Conservative MPs who rent property are ‘parasites’? Or is Wiltshire unique among English counties in that they have an unending supply of council stock to offer to the tenants you would so willingly displace from their privately-rented homes?
Incredibly, you feel that insulting people who contribute vast sums of money and endless hours of time to alleviating the pressure on council stock is you having a conscience and doing something useful for society. What a strange way to view yourself.
You don’t offer any explanation for why Gareth’s email is ‘deeply flawed’, probably because it isn’t. The information contained within it is referenceable from the highest and best researched of sources and luckily has been received with a lot more intelligence by other Conservative councillors nationwide.
Your deeply offensive descriptions and frankly ill-informed opinions are an embarrassment to those of us who are both Conservatives and who work in housing as a profession. They fall well short of standards expected of public officials. To this end I have reported your email to your group leader, the council Chief Exec and your local press, who ought to know how their elected representatives address members of the public expressing their genuine concerns.
Sincerely
Cllr James Fraser
Deputy Leader of the Conservatives
Stevenage Borough Council”
Cllr Fraser then followed this up by making the following formal complaint to Cllr Devine’s boss ….
“Dear Cllr Britton,
I feel I must bring to your attention the reply below received from Cllr Devine after an email from one Gareth Wilson outlining some consequences of the government’s Clause 24.
Gareth Wilson had written a well-researched and intelligent piece to bring to your attention a ruinous policy that will affect millions of people nationwide and no doubt a good many of your constituents.
This reply falls well short of the standards required of a public official. To call the writer – a friend of mine – a ‘parasite’ who Devine wants ‘taxed out of existence’ and who should ‘stop snivelling’ is deeply offensive and worthy of reporting to your local press.
Devine clearly has no knowledge of the sector, nor its contribution to relieving pressure on council housing stock, nor the kind of care and commitment it takes to be a private landlord, of which I too am such a worthless parasite who should clearly do more for society.
Sincerely
Cllr James Fraser
Deputy Leader, Conservatives
Stevenage Borough Council”
Councillor Chris Devine (Conservative – Wiltshire) Named and Shamed https://t.co/jBAQQ7xEWe @wiltshiretimes pic.twitter.com/OXtQ4ZsFOt
— Mark Alexander (@iAmALandlord) December 24, 2015
This article shows the level of ignorance #Landlords are up against https://t.co/jBAQQ7xEWe Cllr named & shamed
— Mark Alexander (@iAmALandlord) December 24, 2015
#Landlord basher gets his comeuppance https://t.co/jBAQQ7xEWe
— Mark Alexander (@iAmALandlord) December 24, 2015
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Sign Up13:20 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Mandy Thomson" at "24/12/2015 - 12:22":
Who's the parasite now?
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Sign Up13:32 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Ros ." at "24/12/2015 - 13:20":
Hear! Hear!
While some think landlords are parasites that live OFF others, I would suggest Cllr Devine might be an endoparasite, i.e. another type of parasite that lives INSIDE its host, particularly in the gut...
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Sign Up15:02 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Councillor Devine should apologise.
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Sign Up15:06 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "BTL INVESTOR SCOTLAND" at "24/12/2015 - 15:02":
Councillor Devine should certainly apologise, immediately before he resigns.
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Sign Up15:16 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Just emailed a link to the P118 article to three local newspapers - Salisbury Journal, Western Gazette and Avon Valley News.
Let's see what they make of him, we haven't had a good loal scandal for sometime ?.
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Sign Up15:46 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Brilliant. What an imbecile councillor.
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Sign Up16:01 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Reply to the comment left by "Mandy Thomson" at "24/12/2015 - 12:14":
I completely agree.
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Sign Up17:17 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Lets all complain to the Baroness, Richard Britton replied in just over two hours, good for him. I just could not hold back grhhhhh!!!!! Merry Xmas all.
"I have forwarded your email to the Leader, Baroness Cllr Jane Scott who will look at it in the New Year.
Yours,
Richard Britton
From: Dennis Leverett [mailto:dennis@tritontools.uk.com]
Sent: 24 December 2015 14:33
To: Britton, Richard
Subject: Cllr Chris Devine
Dear Cllr Britton
I have to inform you that I am deeply offended by comments made by your Cllr Chris Devine as shown here
“So Gareth, how many properties do you own? Your email is deeply flawed, do you seriously believe that the `buy to let` brigade give a fig for those they are exploiting with high rents and short tenancies. Stop thinking about your own pocket and think about society, you lot are nothing, but, parasites and the sooner you are taxed out of existence the better. Just because I am a Conservative does not mean that I do not have a social conscience, well done to George Osbourne. As for you. Try doing some public service and stop snivelling.
Chris Devine, Cllr”
The above is part of a reply e mail sent to the very respected Gareth Wilson re: his piece on Clause 24.
I am a private sector Landlord whose tenants are perfectly happy with the second to none service they get from me. I have worked extremely hard all my life, paid my taxes and worked within my local community to help others. I totally resent being called a parasite and cannot believe that any person working in public office would or should consider making such offensive comments.
At the very least I demand a written apology immediately and better still that he is removed from office. He remarks are based on nothing and his rudeness to Gareth Wilson and others such as myself are totally unacceptable.
With respect I would like a quick response before I consider taking matters a lot further.
Kind Regards
Dennis Leverett
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Sign Up17:33 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
Story has made the Salisbury Journal
http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/14167275.Landlords_are__parasites___says_Tory_councillor/
Mandy Thomson
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Sign Up17:43 PM, 24th December 2015, About 9 years ago
I doubt very much that an apology, certainly a FULL apology, will be forthcoming.
Public opinion is definitely against small private landlords, and while the Conservatives are no doubt expecting to lose the support of landlords over Clause 24 and the stamp duty increase, they will be expecting or at least hoping to gain new support from Labour voters, especially those on the right wing of that party who share more ground with the Conservatives than with Jeremy Corbyn.
I know nothing about Cllr Devine, but unless he's a total loose canon who is prepared to resign from the Conservative party, there's surely no way he could write what he wrote and not expect to be in trouble WITHOUT that being the general line his party is taking.