Can I really house the Ukrainian People? I want to, however…..

Can I really house the Ukrainian People? I want to, however…..

9:19 AM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago 60

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Can we trust the Govt & Councils to then not penalise us in 2 3 4 5 years? This needs to be discussed, as I seriously would love to house some of these people.

I’ve even been thinking at night, if I only help one family, I could pay for a driver to drive them round as we have a Ukrainian centre here in Nottingham, to get them into the right people for help. This £300pw or so for a driver wouldn’t hurt me, but would really help them.

I could pay for driving lessons for them to get them on their feet. I could buy their food & clothes to start with till their income starts coming in-Gees they gonna’ need some help with Universal Credit. I could advertise on Social Media for jobs for them in their skillset, so some qualified accountant don’t have to take some job picking strawberries etc.

Here are my notes on it:

I’m the biggest Benefit Landlord in Nottingham & have taken hundreds of homeless off the Council over the years. However, the SAME Council (not the same department) has now shafted us with Selective Licensing.

I promise u now if u can get insider information (which I have), the Council homeless section when ringing Landlords begging for houses, will tell u for 99 calls out of 100, all Landlords reply is No I’m not taking your tenants or helping u cause of Selective Licensing.

So the Council are stuffed & I feel for the tenants, as there are some very good tenants out there that are now homeless cause of Govt & Council interference & Retrospective Regs.

It’s the same Council that rings us up to house the Ukrainian families. It’s the same Govt that brings another change in after we’ve housed the Ukrainian families.

We just don’t know what retrospective change the Govt will do on us next, which is why the Govt ain’t shouting & disgustingly got the low numbers of Ukrainian families coming in we know about. They know the Councils have nowhere to put them.

We are the bottom end people that actually do the housing, not the Govt, not the Councils-Cause they han’t got ote.

This sounds strong, but it needs to be put out in the open.

Can the Council & Govt guarantee us that for the next 20 years (I’ve had many same tenants 25 years) that they won’t bring another change in that will hurt that tenant even more? They can’t. They can’t leave things alone that work. They’re constantly thinking of another Anti Landlord measure, cause this Landlord 10 miles away didn’t fix his tenant’s door so we all suffer.

We all know what happened when the Govt really tightened up Right to Rent (cause immigration too high-Ooh that will be the Landlords fault then) that put all the onus & blame on the Landlord (was it £2000 fine) if he made a mistake when accepting a non-UK person. Consequently, lots of Landlords stopped taking non-UK people as we ain’t qualified ID checking people. The authorities noticed that legal immigrants were not being able to get houses, so did they relax the rules later?

Another retrospective change was the Benefit Cap. No matter what u think of it, I took many families with 7 8 10 kids that were safe in their homes, already lived there 5 years & then the Govt said We’re not paying your rent any more, the public voters don’t like u getting all these Benefits for 10 kids. Too late now, Cameron, they’ve already moved in. Shocking the evictions that caused throughout the UK. In 2017 the Benefits now say If u have more than 2 kids, we ain’t paying, so be forewarned. However, the Benefit cap was AFTER the horse had bolted.

My colleagues and I are the people that could house them, but @LindaWoodings Selective Licensing has scuppered that plan. We have no houses for them. Benefit tenants can’t move anymore, therefore not freeing any houses up.

I’d love to take these people.

However, I’ve taken many homeless from the Council (mainly Nottingham Council). They’ve said this person not great with money, Mick. This person doesn’t maintain the garden, Mick. But don’t worry, we will make sure we support them & make sure everything goes ok.

Then a few years later, the Council withdraw the support, treat us like crap & then impose conditions that we’d struggle to comply with because it’s a condition against the certain type of tenant that the Council gave u in the first place.

I’ve spent money on the house for the actual tenant who is wrecking the house cause the Council Support worker is there & saying I am here now Mick, I am not leaving your two’s side. 2 months later, no more Council Support worker. House gets wrecked again. Council introduces Licensing, say I’m now responsible cause that tenant hasn’t cut the grass. The same tenant they gave us 3 years ago WHO THEY KNEW wun’t cut the grass.

It’s a shame we can’t help any more cause the Council have no joined-up thinking & too many turnovers of staff to another dept. New staff has no passion or morals or understanding of how renting houses works.

This text is what I’m sending my tenants ready for Selective Licensing renewal:

Most of u r very good. But are u perfect? Read Licensing conditions and tell yourself first could u comply with all them, second, would u take any tenant on that wasn’t the most prim proper person ever?
Third, if u was a landlord getting older, would u want to be dealing with that for EVERY house EVERY tenant? And giving out 200 pages to each tenant each house.
4th, would u take a Benefit tenant on after being told u had to comply with them conditions?
Selective Licensing conditions Feb 2022
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sD_HRl57ANNw4PBAb-FGRU7h-0Qby9Vm5xLioH_nA7c/edit?usp=sharing

Thank u Mr Govt & Nottingham Council & Shelter & Universal Credit & Nottingham Council Selective Licensing, u may make our life awful for a short period, but the person u really hurt is the tenant, & then the Landlord ends up being much better off financially which is an unintended part of your consequences.

U hurt the Landlord, u end up hurting the Ukrainian people. U hurt the Landlords, u end up hurting the tenant.


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15:11 PM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago

'Homes for Ukraine' website to help house refugees in UK This article appeared on Reuters.com at 12:24 today.
LONDON, March 14 (Reuters) - A website for Britons interested in housing and sponsoring Ukrainians fleeing the Russian invasion will go live on Monday as the government steps up its efforts to deflect anger over its response to the refugee crisis.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has sought to portray Britain as helping lead the global response to the Russian invasion - which Moscow calls a "special operation" - but his government has faced criticism over delays in accepting refugees.

The new scheme called "Homes for Ukraine" will let refugees from the war come to Britain even if they do not have family ties, the government said on Sunday. read more

Britain will pay people 350 pounds ($460) a month if they can offer refugees a spare room or property for a minimum period of six months.

Under the scheme, members of the public, charities, businesses and community groups should be able to offer accommodation via the website by the end of next week, the government said.

Michael Gove, minister for housing, will provide more details when he addresses parliament later in the day.

Several big businesses, including retailers Marks & Spencer (MKS.L), Sainsbury's (SBRY.L) and Morrisons, and recruitment firm Robert Walters (RWA.L), have said they are keen to help with the response to the fastest-growing refugee crisis in Europe since World War Two.

Stephen Edwards, Robert Walters' chief marketing officer, said entrepreneur Emma Sinclair had pulled together businesses across all sectors who are willing to offer help.

"Robert Walters Group has offered help both in terms of hiring a number of displaced Ukrainians into our own business but also as a recruitment company we are able to represent them as potential employees for our clients," he said.

Supermarket group Morrisons said it would welcome Ukrainian refugees "with open arms".

"We contacted the Home Office (interior ministry) last week to offer any assistance we could through providing employment for Ukrainian refugees and we believe we could find good roles for many hundreds of men and women."

Food and clothing retailer M&S said it was committed to supporting Ukrainian refugees with jobs and was in talks with the Home Office.

Sainsbury's said it could offer jobs across its technology, distribution and online grocery teams.

Tesco (TSCO.L), Britain's biggest retailer, said it was supporting recent arrivals from Ukraine with hundreds of new job opportunities in its businesses in Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

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15:11 PM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago

'Homes for Ukraine' website to help house refugees in UK This article appeared on Reuters.com at 12:24 today.
LONDON, March 14 (Reuters) - A website for Britons interested in housing and sponsoring Ukrainians fleeing the Russian invasion will go live on Monday as the government steps up its efforts to deflect anger over its response to the refugee crisis.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has sought to portray Britain as helping lead the global response to the Russian invasion - which Moscow calls a "special operation" - but his government has faced criticism over delays in accepting refugees.

The new scheme called "Homes for Ukraine" will let refugees from the war come to Britain even if they do not have family ties, the government said on Sunday. read more

Britain will pay people 350 pounds ($460) a month if they can offer refugees a spare room or property for a minimum period of six months.

Under the scheme, members of the public, charities, businesses and community groups should be able to offer accommodation via the website by the end of next week, the government said.

Michael Gove, minister for housing, will provide more details when he addresses parliament later in the day.

Several big businesses, including retailers Marks & Spencer (MKS.L), Sainsbury's (SBRY.L) and Morrisons, and recruitment firm Robert Walters (RWA.L), have said they are keen to help with the response to the fastest-growing refugee crisis in Europe since World War Two.

Stephen Edwards, Robert Walters' chief marketing officer, said entrepreneur Emma Sinclair had pulled together businesses across all sectors who are willing to offer help.

"Robert Walters Group has offered help both in terms of hiring a number of displaced Ukrainians into our own business but also as a recruitment company we are able to represent them as potential employees for our clients," he said.

Supermarket group Morrisons said it would welcome Ukrainian refugees "with open arms".

"We contacted the Home Office (interior ministry) last week to offer any assistance we could through providing employment for Ukrainian refugees and we believe we could find good roles for many hundreds of men and women."

Food and clothing retailer M&S said it was committed to supporting Ukrainian refugees with jobs and was in talks with the Home Office.

Sainsbury's said it could offer jobs across its technology, distribution and online grocery teams.

Tesco (TSCO.L), Britain's biggest retailer, said it was supporting recent arrivals from Ukraine with hundreds of new job opportunities in its businesses in Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

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15:12 PM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 14/03/2022 - 14:42
Mick, after what landlords have been put through in the last few years I think we could probably all qualify for a first class honours "degree in MP incompetence"!

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18:02 PM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago

I feel sure they won’t all be genuine refugees as ‘law of averages’ some will be opportunist to get into this country so then what would they be like as tenants??? I don’t like foul language so I’ll keep my opinion about councils to myself!

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18:29 PM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago

Further:- your putting your trust in a foreign person from a foreign country with something that’s worth hundreds of thousands plus where does ‘right to rent’ with possible fines come in?

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21:09 PM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago

the INSTANT I hear that the government will take NO responsibility in matching refugee with host - that was it. Game over before it started.

Its a very simple case of a government reaction and the idea to be SEEN to be doing something positive when behind the scenes it will be total chaos. These people will have trauma - local services will not be able to cope even if £10k per person is thrown their way.

The government are kniving sods - playing on everyone's heartstrings and a desire to help, but leading you up a garden path where they just stand and wave you off. This is a journey you will do alone but thanks for volunteering!

If there is going to be no difference of the status of a them as a refugee (still get benefits/schooling/health access etc) then in the eyes of the government and the law they will be the same status as 'home grown' tenants.... And we all know how the government view existing Landlords who are helping with the ongoing housing need.....

its a no from me however much I want to help - this 'plan' benefits no one at all.

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21:46 PM, 14th March 2022, About 3 years ago

If someone does provide a room in their house for a refugee family - is the refugee family expected to stay in the room all the time? Presumably the idea is actually that you take the refugees into your home - so they come down and watch tv with you - share your kitchen cooking the food they have bought with their Universal Credit (and which they are storing in your fridge)? Or should they eat their meals with you and your family? And if the family have nowhere to go - no work - no friends to visit - they are going to be stuck in the house all day.
I bet you that the host family - however well meaning - are going to get fed-up with these foreign strangers in their homes. And the refugee family - aware of the tension in the household - will soon be asking the local authority if they have any houses available.
I don't know what the answer is - but I don't think this plan has been thought through.

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5:49 AM, 15th March 2022, About 3 years ago

Reply to the comment left by DSR at 14/03/2022 - 21:09
Well said DSR,
Echoes what I'm about to say.

Mick Roberts

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5:51 AM, 15th March 2022, About 3 years ago

What's interesting on here, is that I thought I'd get some backlash for publicising that Landlords would eventually get crapped on for housing the Ukranians in need-So can we take the chance & take them? I wanted to create a debate that All is not what it seems. Before the Newsreaders slate us for not taking them. And then someone somewhere one day will say Wow so it's not u being a bas___d Mr Landlord, it's the Govt & Councils with all these rules & changes that make u sell, & charge more & can't take anyone then?

But it appears all of u/us think the same & we've all been vilified & treated badly by the Councils & Govt for just doing our job of housing people, which has made us super cautious going forwards. Which then impacts on those most needing help-Whereas 10 years ago we'd have said
Come here Family, u need a house, I've got one for u. Now we have to think Ooh hang on, we could have serious consequences here in few years time cause Govt & Council will retrospectively change the rules again on the type of tenant we've took.

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