Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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adam prospect

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17:12 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "17/11/2016 - 12:06":

Had to check progress due to numerous updates today.....I try every few months to see what has changed in the thinking.

''The deduction of our interest is a GAAP. Again you have failed to say why you think GAAP should no longer apply to individual landlords''

The reason why Mortgage Interest is to be treated differently for BTL Landlords than it is for other businesses is because the business model approach to debt is different.
1) Interest Only has been overused
2) Taking equity from properties to purchase the next uses capital growth to expand rather than taxed income.
3) In theory this is a limitless system where 2 million LLs could own 10 houses each and buy all the housing stock using borrowed money
4) House prices are too high and there is a social impact on an increasing generation of people who wish to buy....so politics is kicking in.

I think from a pure accounting process it is does seem unfair. They should have brought in MMR for BTL and regulated the debt and removed all interest only mortgages. But this way BTL LLs keep the debt, banks keep the profit and the government keeps the tax and maybe some extra votes.

Not a tenant tax, not even a landlord tax....this is a tax on debt. If I were incorporated and trading in residential rentals with large mortgages I would be worried that they might be next...although the income tax, dividend and NI rules etc may protect them from political interference to some extent.

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17:32 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "S.E. Landlord" at "17/11/2016 - 14:21":

Dividends and loan interest are treated differently because they are different types of payment.

In your hypothetical example the friend, as shareholder, would be entitled to all the accumulated after-tax profit in the form of dividends, even if he or she only drew £50,000 a year, and would also be entitled to the proceeds of the sale of the company or of its assets.

If he loaned you the money, you would be entitled to all the after-tax profit, and the sale proceeds minus the repayment of the million pound loan.

As you can see, these are two very different business models. One pays dividends and the other pays interest.

To claim that interest should not be deductible because dividends are not paid out of pre-tax profit betrays an ignorance of company accounting. Your accountant might be able to help you with this.

Tax law does not distinguish between a loan for a depreciating asset and a loan for an appreciating asset.

Jon Pipllman

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17:33 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "adam prospect" at "17/11/2016 - 17:12":

"MMR" for BTL (both individual and SME corporate) is coming soon

The Financial Policy committee is to have its powers extended to cover BTL lending

"1.4 Specifically, the FPC recommended that it be granted the power to direct, if necessary to protect and enhance financial stability, the Prudential Regulation Authority (PRA) and/or Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) to require regulated lenders to place limits on residential mortgage lending, both owner-occupied and buy-to-let, by reference to:

 loan-to-value (LTV) ratios
 debt-to-income (DTI) ratios, including interest coverage ratios (ICRs) in respect of buy-to-let lending "

more here

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/568504/buy_to_let_consultation_response_final.pdf

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17:40 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "adam prospect" at "17/11/2016 - 17:12":

What a coincidence - yet another apologist for S 24. Do you think that the reasons you put forward justify making it retroactive, which will bankrupt some people?

adam prospect

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18:14 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Thx Jon. Yep close to this and have sold what I needed to to minimise impact. That was 'my reaction the the 2015 budget' and I sensed there was more coming...I still do.

Appalled. I didn't apologise for C24. Retrospective will keep the banks oiled and increase the government coffers at what is a reasonably low politically low risk.

Even if rents rocket and evictions start....that (politically) will be on landlords not the government. Give them an opportunity to turn the screw completely to help 'solve the housing crisis' by removing the 20% tax deduction. And if LLs sell and no-one can afford then prices fall - more votes. And if prices hold steady then status quo.

Not meaning to be controversial or troll just sharing a what a ' political mind' may think and I am a LL with some debt.

My views do differ from the majority. When this came in I honestly felt the gains I had made would come to an end eg National insurance on rent, no personal allowance on rent etc.

So when this came i understood it's political justification and have paid down debt and condolidated quickly. Not smug....just knew from experienced from other ventures this would not revolve around my business plan indefinitely.

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18:22 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Yawn.

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18:30 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Markb " at "17/11/2016 - 16:52":

". . . top 3 things you are going to do to undo Tenant Tax"

1.Increase rents to cover all the recent taxes (not just section 24) imposed by government, not forgetting that I want extra profit for my trouble in collecting the tax.
2. Evict any tenant who cannot pay the increased rent
3. Do not under any circumstances take anyone in receipt of Universal Credit

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18:37 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Hi good people,
I am in Stansted Airport and just found a Daily Telegraph. On the front page there is an article about BTL. End od middle class dream it says. Perhaps on a border to being hostile to PR S , but not quite. Finding justification for Hammond. Who has a subscription can read on line. I just skimmed it, because of my flight. But I will be interested what the others thnink? Of to Cologne and Bonn now.

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18:38 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

They ain't seen nothing yet thanks Gideon U are a genius ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38016728?client=safari

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18:42 PM, 17th November 2016, About 8 years ago

Is this it more nonsense to be honest and yet again makes me believe the crack down is south driven they quote 200k mortgage as an example u could get 5 /6 houses for that where I operate

It is about the new affordability checks on but to let the larger family homes down south are not going to Stack up

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/buy-to-let-crackdown-will-end-the-dreams-of-middle-class-investo/

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