Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Mark Shine

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22:00 PM, 15th May 2016, About 9 years ago

I assume Osborne and his colleagues @ HMT presumably conducted extensive research (with or without the assistance of the BoE), prior to announcing the C24 tax grab / attack on leverage for individual residential landlords last year.

Clearly it would seem a little nonsensical for the political elite to simultaneously claim that leverage (with full relief) for another kind of residential landlord is perfectly acceptable. But of course that seems to be what they are effectively saying.

I would be very interested to see any data that shows:

- Current leverage (perhaps including all forms of gearing employed such as ‘financing’ from their investors, shareholders etc) for all UK residential properties owned by corporate landlords.
- Future projections of expected levels of leverage used by corporate landlords for future tax years 16/17, 17/18, 18/19, 19/20, 20/21…

If anyone could point me in the right direction of where I could see such data, I would appreciate it. Many Thanks.

TheMaluka

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22:29 PM, 15th May 2016, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Shine" at "15/05/2016 - 22:00":

I have it here in this hat . . . . oh no it's just another rabbit.

Mark Shine

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18:43 PM, 17th May 2016, About 9 years ago

In case of interest to others:

‘Taking stock - Understanding the effects of recent policy measures on the private rented sector and Buy-to-Let’
- By Kath Scanlon, Christine Whitehead and Peter Williams. LSE London.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/geographyAndEnvironment/research/london/docs/GRP12392---LSE-report-design-WEB2.pdf

I haven’t read it all yet but from what have read so far, looks like a fairly balanced report covering many aspects such as Govt plans to institutionalise the PRS (one of the key reasons behind C24).

Steve and Chris: Have the LSE been invited to speak at the event on 9th June?

NW Landlord

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19:09 PM, 17th May 2016, About 9 years ago

I scanned through it and this is in the summery and pretty sums it up nobody once looking into it thinks it is a good idea apart from a few fools who just happen to be in power I really believe it won't last it just can't totally ill thought out

31. Even if institutional investors enthusiastically enter the market, individual landlords will remain dominant – as they are across Europe. Shrinking the sector therefore does not seem a sensible way forward given what we know about unmet demand and need.

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19:15 PM, 17th May 2016, About 9 years ago

They haven't a clue what they are doing and have no basis for their behaviour, stupid, careless and to be honest dam right dangerous what they are up to

32. In an ideal world we could identify the goals of policy changes, establish a baseline and monitor outcomes to see if these goals were met. In this case however, the government’s goals are multiple and sometimes inconsistent and poor data make high quality monitoring di cult if not impossible. If we are to understand and manage the sector better, we need to improve the data as quickly as possible.

stuart edwards

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20:02 PM, 17th May 2016, About 9 years ago

Evening standard article first to use the term "landlord tax" in article on page 2. However it is used in the context of stamp duty changes and how it has led to 30000 average increase in london house prices

Barry Fitzpatrick

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6:45 AM, 25th May 2016, About 9 years ago

The people/media are starting to realise the true consequences of George Osborne's tax changes:

https://www.lovemoney.com/news/52569/lovemoney-readers-tenants-real-victims-buy-to-let-crackdown

TheMaluka

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9:16 AM, 25th May 2016, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Barry Fitzpatrick" at "25/05/2016 - 06:45":

I particularly liked the comment " . . . more and more people are waking up to the fact that BTL'ers are essentially parasites.” although I think the commentator should have taken heed of Councillor Devine's comments and given us the full accolade of 'Snivelling Parasites'.
Does this put landlords on a level with, for instance, car rental companies or perhaps those wicked boat hire companies who are clogging up our canals with their hire fleet?

Barry Fitzpatrick

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11:22 AM, 31st May 2016, About 9 years ago

I’ve just sent the following email to David Jones and I would encourage you to do the same. His email address is: officeofdavidjonesmp@parliament.uk

Dear David,

Although not one of your constituents, having read your recent article on the Conservative Home website may I congratulate you on being one of the first MPs to publicly recognise the impacts of recent changes in the taxation of Landlords. Yes, I am a Landlord myself, and by far the most damaging is the change to mortgage interest relief. This change will be devastating to many Landlords but just as if the Government had increased fuel duty on petrol and diesel this extra tax will be borne by the customers of Landlords (i.e. Tenants). For this reason this tax hike has been dubbed the “Tenant Tax”.

For affected Landlords (and this is the injustice of this tax as it doesn’t affect Landlords who own properties in a limited company structure or are unencumbered) they will pass this extra cost onto their Tenants who will face increases, when fully implemented, of 20-40%, and where market condition preclude this, Landlords will have to sell up, and have to evict the Tenants to do so. Either way the Tenants suffer. This will probably follow the same path as happened in Ireland 16 years ago when a similar tax change was introduced.

This tax goes against the time honoured principle of profit=revenue-costs, with tax being levied upon profits. Which gives rise to anomalies such as tax being due on a loss, and rates of taxation in excess of 100%. This is counter to the Conservative principles of lower taxation and this in a situation where affected Landlords are already paying tax on their profits at 40% or 45% (whereas incorporated Landlords would only be paying 20% tax). You also rightly point out that some basic rate taxpayer Landlords will be pushed into the Higher Rate bracket for tax purposes even those their income will not have changed, this in turn has consequences regarding things like Child Benefit, and Child Maintenance payments, and now Dividend Tax.

Increasing rents will in turn make it even harder for Tenants to save for a deposit on a house of their own, which is totally counter to the Conservative Parties policy of home-ownership.

The Tenants who will suffer the worst will be those least able to cope i.e. those people at the lowest end of our society – those on Housing benefits. Housing benefit having been frozen will force these people to move to lower cost areas, or fall back on their Local Council to be housed by them (probably in very expensive Bed & breakfast type accommodation as fewer Landlords will be able to afford or be willing to house them). The cost in terms of upheaval, stress and misery will be enormous.
This measure which has been condemned by many independent, respected public bodies including The Institute for Fiscal Studies, IFS, to whom David Cameron recently commented on the BBC as “The Institute for Fiscal Studies is the gold standard in independent impartial economic forecasting and commentary in our country. It’s accepted by every political party.”
You’ll be aware that a group of Landlords are making a legal challenge to this legislation, but I would hope that the Government comes to its senses and reverses this ill-thought out, and damaging legislation.

Dr Rosalind Beck

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13:17 PM, 31st May 2016, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Barry Fitzpatrick" at "31/05/2016 - 11:22":

Great letter, Barry.
In case anyone is looking for the article you found, it is here:

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/05/david-jones-why-are-we-clobbering-people-who-provide-homes-to-rent.html

This is the most positive and well-informed intervention by any MP to date, in my view.

And Neil has also published it on 118, so it would be good if people left comments as David Jones may then read them. Apparently they are currently in recess, but he will be back next week, so may then read the comments as I will be sending him the link to the 118 article, which is here:

http://www.property118.com/conservative-mp-asks-why-are-we-clobbering-landlords/87328/

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