Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Jim

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18:51 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "NW Landlord" at "21/03/2016 - 17:32":

Thanks for that NW, I didn't know that, I must have missed that on this thread. So there is no stamp duty providing the capital base cost of the property is larger than the mortgage outstanding. So can you mix and match properties and just pay stamp duty on those properties where the mortgage is larger than the base cost? If this has been covered then let me know and I will search it, I have tried to keep pace with all posts but do not remember this being discussed. In theory I can still do the BICT after 1-4-16 just possible extra 3% stamp duty on certain properties. I believe that you can not only incorporate a selection of your properties, it has to be all, or nothing.

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19:00 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

Here we go... I hate to say i foresaw this - UK's version of Donald Trump! and our first contender to wipe aside the overprivileged out of touch dead pig fornicating Bullingdon club members and their wannabe mates (yes Jeremy Hunt that is you), sickeningly arrogant, self propelling, unqualified bunch and their bottom kissing minions (MPs) is....

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-35864037.

Watch Donald Trump's rise if you have any doubt about how angry people are with the western political machines and their insidious incestuous closed party ruling of our great country and great countrymen. ANYTHING BUT THEM = TRUMP Enough is enough - The western spring begins!!

Even if Trump does not win, the establishment would be stupid to ignore what he stands for and how is message resonates and how utterly disenfranchised the people are. Disengaged = don't care don't vote. The difference is now we are disenfranchised = "I hate you all and will shoot myself in the foot , take my chances & I will see you in Hell. If I am going down you are coming with me".

Lets hope that a good businessman with a penchant for picking good manages and likes to play in red rather than black and white, surfaces.

NW Landlord

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19:10 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

They calculate on the total value of what u put in

Markb

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19:29 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "NW Landlord" at "21/03/2016 - 17:32":

" The deed of trust is stamp duty exempt unless your mortgage interest is more than your original purchase prices"

Smoke and mirrors... smoke and mirrors... and some times that works!

But we have the Megan Shaws e-mail address at HMRC she owns the product. So, why is no one asking her the direct question. Can I incorporate and avoid SDLT by simply writing a deed of trust.

Also ask the lender the same question - Can i incorporate and keep my mortgage as is change beneficial interest in the item the loan is secured on and not upset you in any way? Will you as a lender go along with this.

If they both say "yes!" Then where is the dilemma?

I think we all know what HMRC and lenders will say and that is why some of us say "not on your nelly" and other are torn... With respect you are not torn about that is right, you know the answer is and you are just evaluating the costs of getting caught, Some want Cotswold Barristers to indemnify them against getting caught and that, is the bit where you have to question yourself if you should be in business.

Jimmy Carr got to laugh it off and proclaim he had done something very silly - you'll have to pay it off and may never get credit again.

However what do i know? I just invested in the oldest investment in the world only to get kicked in the arse by a conservative government. - Should have seen that coming - right?

If you want to avoid the Tenant Tax then don't, sorry I mean, forget, declare your rental income. I would suggest that if you like to play with fire then the fines and penalties of failing to declare are far less and the court case way more simple and so costs effective & you'll get told off, but get to keep your credit and properties.

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19:48 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "NW Landlord" at "21/03/2016 - 17:32":

Can you explain further? How can I find out more about this deed of trust and the exemption?

Markb

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20:05 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "James Fraser" at "21/03/2016 - 19:48":

James, reading the tread and empathising with your obvious frustration worry and angst.... I think, if it is true and you can effectively incorporate the 118 way and it is SDLT exempt, then there is no rush. Take your time and consider the full implications. We have all bee where toy are and there are a bunch who still don't yet realise what trouble they may be in.

I'll have a bet that Tenant tax will not last as it seems George is on his way out and or is at least very least is fatally wounded . The next guy in 11 Downing Street will have to be a sharp experienced operator and will not be from the Cameron Osborne stable. Wh knows maybe we'll get a conservative. Cameron can say what he wants, and does, he knows he is going but his replacement as PM will not be George and George will not be at the Treasury as who would want that poison living next door? Quite simply, no one will allow another George in the treasury for a very long time. I cant imagine a single thing will come out of the treasury without unprecedented scrutiny of the Chancellor or the policy, its intent and consequences. Gordon and George have almost certainly ensured we get a qualified and held to account Chancellor next.

Tenant tax is bad business all round and so I would hold off a while as after all, do take time to understand fully - what do you have to lose if there is no SDLT due. Relax and enjoy the spring.

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20:15 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

Yeah, great. But there IS SDLT due. I think the ONLY way to beat SDLT is in a partnership - which I don't have, currently.

The deed of trust route might save SDLT, so if there's any detailed info on how that works I'll take it asap, but you then have to refinance, right? In which case it may not be the panacea it seems. If it is the case that you can incorporate certain properties and still get S162 Id like to see more, but I'm pretty confident S162 only works if you incorporate the entirety of the lettings business.

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20:28 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

agree S162 is only available for full incorporation I looked at this
and checked with my accountant

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21:06 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

You need to speak with mark smith he wil answer any questions and as part of his fee he has an after sales service that deals with any queries from lenders and HMRC

TO avoid stamp duty this needs to be done before 31st March or you will get hit on the value of your whole portfolio which will be a non starter and this way means you do not need to re finance

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21:11 PM, 21st March 2016, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Markb " at "21/03/2016 - 19:29":

Interesting angle!!!

Imagine the attention we landlords would get from the press and the general public if we all "forgot" to declare our incomes this year! We could blame our mass amnesia on stress Brought on by the treatment we have received from the government. Even the threat of doing it may be enough to get GO fired!!!

Best way to get anyone to listen to you is to withhold payment! I would sign up to this and take the fines until we are heard...

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