Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

14:00 PM, 8th July 2015, About 9 years ago 9619

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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11:16 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

However the email received and posted earlier in this thread from hmrc shows theory 1 is the method used to calc

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11:16 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

So assuming that more BTL will now structure their ventures through a limited company, does that mean we can soon start to expect see more competitive mortgage products for property commercial loans for limited companies?

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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11:18 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Simon Dewsberry" at "15/07/2015 - 11:14":

Hi Simon

That's fine, please ask him to support his understanding by quoting the official source document.
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11:18 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "James Tallis" at "15/07/2015 - 11:16":

I would think the mortgage bods have been flat out designing new products since last week !!

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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11:20 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "James Tallis" at "15/07/2015 - 11:16":

Maybe, but the cost of Ltd Co. BTL lending is just as likely to go the other way.

If supply of BTL lending for Ltd. companies doesn't increase (new lenders or greater appetite from existing lenders) then you could see the costs increase as demand for BTL Ltd. Co. lending increases.
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11:30 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "James Tallis" at "15/07/2015 - 11:16":

James,

Note that they said 'Finance' costs not just.

This means that under this it could include booking fees and arrangements fee as well.

This would mean yet more tax is liable.

Jason E

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11:36 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Wasn't Osborne's comment that one in five landlords would be effected?

Looking at it as it currently stands (regardless of how you do the calculation) it's hard to construct a scenario where any landlord won't be effected i.e. pay some tax?

I wonder if that was taken in error from an internal document estimating that 1 in 5 landlords would sell up and that's what he meant by "effected"!

At the end of the day this is about raising money but it's a lost opportunity to finally create a class of landlord who treated as business/professional (i.e. gets tax relief on finance but maintains their houses to the highest standard and submits full records for gas/elec/tenant maintenance requests/legionnaires/etc/etc).

Jason

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11:37 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "15/07/2015 - 11:18":

Hi Simon

I think it's getting somewhat complicated and my previous examples

may be incorrect. It looks like my example for 20/21 is wrong and

one has to work out the tax on £200k income first say approx £70k

(i.e not all at 40%) and then deduct £20k being standard rate tax on

the £100k interest giving a tax bill of approx £50k whereas it would

have been in the region of £32k without the changes.

I will await further advice in the accountancy press and if

it changes from my examples will be in touch to let you know.

It is not of course law yet and does not start until April 2017.

Kind regards

Appalled Landlord

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11:38 AM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Neil Robb" at "15/07/2015 - 10:27":

Hi Neil

The 20% of interest is not deducted from the taxable profit of £400 so that you pay tax on £360.

The taxable profit of £400 is added to all your other income, then your tax is calculated.

Then finally 20% of interest is given as a relief and deducted from the tax that was calculated, and you then owe HMRC the remainder.

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12:34 PM, 15th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "15/07/2015 - 11:02":

Hi Mark

The various accountants will no doubt have said that you have to add back interest to the property income - as we calculate it - in order to find the taxable amount under the new rules.

However, some of their clients have misinterpreted this as having to add the interest to total income, thereby treating interest as income.

Unfortunately, one member posted this fallacious treatment as if it were Gospel on this forum some days ago, causing enormous confusion.

If no rent is received, there is a loss equal to the interest plus other costs. Adding back the interest still leaves you with a loss. So no tax is payable on it.

You do not add the interest to other income. I doubt that any accountant would say that.

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