Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

14:00 PM, 8th July 2015, About 9 years ago 9619

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Neil Robb

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19:59 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

HI

I once said to my accountant I wanted to use my surplus profit to pay down my mortgages. He informed me I would have to pay tax on the money first. I thought this was unfair but could see where he was coming from.

And then each year as I had less interest to pay I would pay more tax.

At the start of this forum it was said that from 20/21 you will no longer be able to deduct interest payments from your rent. this will now show as profit. Less 20% from interest payment

So I cant understand why this will not mean an increase in tax as my return will show say £50,000 instead of breaking even.

Appalled Landlord

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20:01 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Neil Robb" at "14/07/2015 - 19:18":

Hi Neil

Did you see my explanation posted at 18.20 on: http://www.property118.com/budget-2015-landlords-reactions/76164/comment-page-55/#comments ?

The interest you pay will not be counted as income, it will just no longer be deducted from rent received by HMRC when it calculates the taxable profit. So their profit figure will be higher than what we regard as profit – by the amount of interest.

In the rare case that there is no income from a property there will be no profit, therefore no tax. HMRC will not treat the interest paid for that property as income.

They will not deduct 20% from the interest to leave 80% and include that as income. They will not treat any of the interest as income.

They will allow 20% of the interest as a relief, and give this relief by deducting it from the amount of tax that they calculated.

However, if the profit is lower than the interest, they will allow relief of 20% of the lower figure. So in the case where there is no rent, so no profit, there will be no relief.

Jack D

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20:03 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "14/07/2015 - 19:49":

But Gary that 100k interest cost wouldn't be classed income though would it?

If I have absolutely no income (no salary and no profits on my BTL) but a 100k interest cost I can't go and get a residential mortgage based on my 100k interest on basis it's income.

I see your view that in effect you are being taxed on the interest as if it is income but think that's the absurd thing with this thing, it's not income.

Simon Lever - Chartered Accountant helping clients get the best returns from their properties

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20:03 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "14/07/2015 - 19:49":

Extreme scenario:

Income for year £ nil
Mortgage interest on BTL - £100,000.

Tax due for year - £ Nil

You cannot pay tax if you did not earn anything. The interest will be carried forward and offset against tax at 20% when rental profits are made.

(They ask me why I keep baning my head against the brick wall.
I tell them that it feels so good when I stop!)

Appalled Landlord

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20:14 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Neil Robb" at "14/07/2015 - 19:29":

Hi Neil

The 20% of interest is not deducted from the taxable profit of £25,000 so that you pay tax on £20,000.

The taxable profit of £25,000 is added to all your other income, then the tax is calculated by proceeding through the various tax bands.

Then finally 20% of interest is given as a relief and deducted from the tax that was calculated, and you then owe HMRC the remainder.

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20:22 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Neil Robb" at "14/07/2015 - 19:59":

Hi Neil

This definitely will result in an increase in tax payable unless someone's total income (without deducting interest) is lower than the 40% threshold of about £43,000.

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20:23 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 20:14":

So, you are saying that more interest you pay better position you are in? As you would be able to offset this against your income.

This is not the discussion we had couple of days ago including yesterday? If that's the case I'll sack my accountant and I am over the moon.

I'll sing whole night naked.

Jack D

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20:26 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

I just keep to this simple understanding on this,

Income – Costs = Profit
Tax Calculated on Profit
Actual Tax Due = Tax Calculated - Relief on interest costs

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20:27 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 20:22":

OMG my head hurts...we are going around in circles. We are now back to square one.

Michelle O'Connor

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20:28 PM, 14th July 2015, About 9 years ago

Income tax. Tax due on income. Income. Basic fundamentals of our tax system. You cannot pay tax on anything other than income. Forget the idea HMRC will be taxing individuals on an expense, i.e mortgage interest. That simply isn't happening. The intention is to restrict the offsetting of said expense to 20%. That's it in a nutshell. So much for "I'm out"

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