Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Si G

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9:30 AM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "KATHY MILLER" at "12/11/2015 - 09:08":

Govt help to buy is a vote bribe like rtb is/was, it's grossly unfair to those who don't qualify and simply saddles ftbers with huge debts. The cost of buying/selling/moving is dropping don't see this as a barrier. Flats will always be popular for ftb and b2let in whatever form but smaller flats more for renting due to cost and benefit cuts, market will find its level but look forward to more ghettoisation with lack of supply and unsustainable immigration levels. I can't think of any govt legislation which has helped housing recently best left alone in a free market economy.

Barry Fitzpatrick

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9:36 AM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "KATHY MILLER" at "12/11/2015 - 09:07":

Kathy,

I'm not that close to my local market but nationally because they average age of FTBs has gone up substantially, I think FTBs are more likely to have young children (or foresee having children) within the period of their tenure of a property and are therefore wanting some outside space and extra bedrooms.

In essence they've rented a flat/house as their first home whereas 15+years ago they'd have bought a starter home. So they're skipping that first step on the housing ladder.

This is all subject to local market prices of course and affordability under MMR, so there'll marked regional variations.

S.E. Landlord

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9:36 AM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "KATHY MILLER" at "12/11/2015 - 09:07":

It is probably due to a combination of affordability in terms of the amount they can borrow and the level of repayments.

As to the what happens to the flats, it depends on how many there are. In some areas the percentage of flats in relation to the number of houses is reasonable, in other areas there is a saturation of flats.

I would expect flat prices to remain stable and for house prices to increase. When there is a sufficient difference between the two and / or interest rates rise then the demand for the flats will increase. Also there will continue to be a demand from landlords and flats tend to provide good returns with little maintenance from the owners as the management company takes care of the communal areas etc.

The people that the agent is referring to looking to buy a two - three bed house have probably been renting a flat and as part of moving wants to move up to a house.

Dr Rosalind Beck

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9:38 AM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Ian Simpson" at "12/11/2015 - 05:59":

Well done Ian. He's also getting a letter off me - I'm just waiting to see if it's published here as an open letter first. If, in any subsequent letters, you could push for 'new purchases' rather than 'new lending' as well, I would be grateful as the problem with the new lending one is that it ties us into current mortgages, which will only then delay the problem by a bit - the choice will then be the current lender's high standard variable rate or the new lender's better deal with the fictitious income regime - although obviously we'll be lucky to get any concessions with the way GO is steadfastly trying to stick to his guns on every awful policy he is pushing through, without consultation, without listening to reasoned arguments and so on.
I heard on Question Time last week that in terms of 'consulting' with junior doctors the Treasury would only meet with them if they didn't speak about something like 22 out of 23 of their concerns. I have heard similar things said about meetings between the Treasury and landlord groups. They will not even allow the 'tax relief restriction' to be mentioned in their so-called 'after the decision has already been made consultation.' They are not interested in the views of the affected groups and/or those with the expertise and much greater knowledge than them on many of the issues.
I know they were voted in, but it is a very dictatorial approach.

Elliott Charnock

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11:54 AM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

I'm currently considering purchasing my first BTL property, and have been doing my due diligence over the past week regarding the new changes in laws.

As some one new to this, my question is simple - should I be reconsidering this, or has this been put in place to restrict buy to letters who have a portfolio of properties.

I appreciate that it's quite an open question with no figures attached, but I'd be interested to gauge people's thoughts.

Thanks

Lisa S

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12:07 PM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Public Bill Committee: Housing and Planning Bill: Examination of Witnesses (10 Nov 2015)
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/pbc/2015-16/Housing_and_Planning_Bill/02-0_2015-11-10a.2.0?s=Private+Rented+Sector#g2.66

Ian Fletcher: The build-to-rent sector mainly seeks to build at scale, so it will be building 100-plus units and the investors, who include most of the big pension fund companies and investors from abroad—we represent most of them—are adamant that they will not invest in broken blocks; they want to keep control of their products. Many of them are introducing new concepts to the private rented sector in the UK in terms of branding and so on, and once you lose control of a part of your development you cannot get that back and you do not know where it will go. An individual may buy a starter home and sell it after five years into the buy-to-let market, so you cannot keep control of that development.

Barry Fitzpatrick

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12:31 PM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Just emailed the following to my MP:

Andrew,

I thought I’d forward this report to you regarding the experience of the Irish housing market, written in 2001.

Whilst I appreciate it is not the UK, the UK Government seems to be following the same path that the Irish have followed some years ago, the similarities to the current UK situation is uncanny. This seems a prime example of history repeating itself.

“1998 witnessed increases in rent, which according to Mr. Richard O ’ Sullivan, manager of Christies’ Lettings, represented an increase equalling that of the three pre-Bacon years combined (Residential Property Investors Edge Back In, 25.09.1998). Some even believe that there were ‘miscalculations’ on behalf of the government as to the actual rent increases for 1998 resulting in toned down figure of 24 per cent circulated in the press. Mr. Ronan O ’ Driscoll of Hamilton Osborne King believes that the increases in rent were more along the lines of 40 per cent and suggested that the Bacon & Associates’ Report (1998) is partly to blame. This represents “the biggest leap in rental values ever” he said, on top of rates that “had been almost stagnant for three years until the Bacon Report.

These rent increases mean that many who are renting while waiting to buy their first homes can no longer afford to save to buy these homes, leading to the conclusion that government intervention designed to ease the pressure on first-time buyers quite ironically “made it more, rather than less, difficult, for the first-time buyers it wanted to help.”

At the end of 1998 there seemed to be a unanimous voice calling for the reinstatement of the deductibility of interest on borrowings undertaken for investment in residential property against personal income for taxation purposes.”

I’ve extracted the Conclusions as the report is rather long, and I know you are very busy.

“Having analysed the history and development of housing policy since the days of pre-Independence Ireland, it is clear that Irish housing policy has always favoured owner-occupation over other forms of tenure. In fact, any deviation from this favouritism has only occurred due to reactive, rather than pre-planned, proactive measures, and has generally ended in failure. This fire-fighting nature regarding government policy has continued right up to the present day, and it is for this reason that Dr. Bacon was commissioned to try to undo problems caused by the government’s procrastinating nature.

Having said that however, I feel that having purposely ignored the business aspect of housing and its somewhat controversial link with the political system, I have nonetheless quite clearly shown that on their own merit, the three Reports have been insufficient in dealing with the housing crisis. As quite neatly summed up by the Director of the IHBA, Ciaran Ryan, “after three Bacon Reports, the market is screwed up and the decline will continue as long as we have conflicting government policies that are not working. In essence, that is the problem. Conflicting housing policy has led to the removal of investors from the marketplace, which in my opinion could have only ever had one outcome: namely the horrendous problems associated with the private rented market. The government could not have expected a vibrant private rented sector without investor involvement. With 200,000 workers needed over the next seven years to sustain current economic development, it seems that the government has ignored the problem of housing these immigrants, who based on the type of work they will occupy, will most likely be relying on the private rented sector. Government policy favouring home ownership is understandable, yet with our increasingly diverse population with increasingly different needs, an extended private rented sector is a must in order to render the extension of the life of the Celtic Tiger as a reachable objective.

Furthermore, I feel that the Bacon and Associates’ Reports did not place enough emphasis on the area of social housing, and in turn ignored those economically most vulnerable within our society. Too much emphasis was placed on alleviating the plight of the first-time buyer, yet to do so at the expense of the private rented sector on which the basis of sustaining economic development is built, is at best negligent, at worst almost criminal. Even then, measures aimed at ameliorating the problem for first-time buyers have proven to be inflationary, which in fact quite ironically worsened their plight.

However, despite the failure of the three Bacon and Associates’ Reports, I feel that excessive government interference has heightened the problem. In essence, they took the populist approach to this issue by choosing to place the blame on the sacrificial lambs, the landlords and investors. However, they ignored the fact that tenancy legislation in Ireland can be described as none other than disgraceful, and even when proposed by Dr, Bacon, subsequently chose to ignore this topic completely. What this failure on behalf of the government shows is an apparent lack of strategic planning, short-termism and merely a reaction to the exigencies of the moment in which a thorough analysis of the long-term effects of all measures taken were not properly undertaken. This is most clearly shown by the amount of times in recent years that the government has had to backtrack on decisions it has made.

According to Alan Cooke (Appendix 1): “the government was very clearly in a hole. Like novices they kept hedging bet after bet hoping that something would come and inevitably when you make so many decisions some of them are going to be absolutely disastrous and that is exactly what happened.”

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12:47 PM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Barry Fitzpatrick" at "12/11/2015 - 12:31":

This is so relevant to the situation in the UK today. Except, it is clear our politicians, of all persuasions, have decided to ignore the lessons of the past, and stick their heads up their **ses, "...hedging bet after bet hoping that something would come and inevitably when you make so many decisions some of them are going to be absolutely disastrous..."!!!

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13:27 PM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

Thanks for the comments

Just trying to get a picture of what a FTB wants to buy in 2015 and if the government schemes are pushing up the prices.

If lots of FTB have bought with a scheme GO will not be able to let the house prices go down . It wouldnt get him the votes if all these FTB and OO have bought into negative equity.

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16:15 PM, 12th November 2015, About 9 years ago

This BBC / Robert Peston interview with Mark Carney appeared yesterday, from which the following has been highlighted for the BBC website

"As for when and how markets will become our faithful, useful servants, rather than our wealth-destroying masters, Mark Carney conceded there is a troubling bubble in the UK's property market, which the Bank is monitoring lest it become worryingly pumped up.

And he did not demur when I pointed out that this bubble is partly the result of the Bank's and other central banks' evasive actions after the 2008 financial crisis, the slashing of interest rates to almost zero and the creation of billions of dollars and pounds of new money through quantitative easing."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34788970

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