Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Barry Fitzpatrick

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12:13 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Had a response from my MP, Andrew Murrison, to my complaint about the lack of debate by the Public Bill Committee on Clause 24 - more platitudes!! Wait till I get my face-to-face with him - Grrrrrrrrr!

Thank you. I have read this. I'm not sure that giving existing landlords what would amount to favourable tax treatment over new landlords would be right. In any other business that would be seen as a competitive advantage.
The point about capital gains is an odd one to make as it is unashamedly the intention of this and previous governments to consider a person's home as different for tax purposes than investment property and I think this is fair. Indeed the principle has been extended recently for inheritance tax purposes.
In essence it seems to me that renting residential property is a business and one in which until now it has been possible to defray a higher rate of interest on the assets than other businesses making it particularly attractive. In making the changes HMT will have formed a view on the continuing viability of the sector and decided that it will remain in good health, particularly since landlords are able to switch to other models in order to regularise their undertakings as businesses if it appears favourable to do so.
I appreciate the rearguard action being fought by ICAEW and have carefully noted its points but strongly suspect the government will not be moved on this.
Best wishes,
Andrew

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12:30 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Barry Fitzpatrick" at "19/10/2015 - 12:13":

So now it is a business and other businesses do not get such favourable interest allowances?

Perhaps Mr Murrison should be asked to explain why his perception is entirely different from that of HMRC?

Manchester Landlord

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12:40 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Barry Fitzpatrick" at "19/10/2015 - 12:13":

Shocking! I really do not understand why they keep peddling this nonsense! I feel like banging my head against a brick wall... Or maybe your MP's!

Barry Fitzpatrick

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12:41 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "David Price" at "19/10/2015 - 12:30":

Here's a draft of my reply:

Thank you for your reply.

The anomaly we are discussing only really comes about because of the different tax treatment of private Landlords in the first place. If they were taxed on their rental profit like limited companies i.e. at a flat rate of 20% then automatically they would only receive tax relief at 20% on their finance costs. This proposed tax change actually exacerbates the existing anomaly. If this measure drives Landlords to converting to Limited companies then they will only pay tax at 20% anyway, so why not make residential profit taxable at 20% and do away with the measure. This also has the advantage that other expenses for higher rate taxpayers will no longer the given relief at 40/45%.

The proposed amendment will uphold the time honoured tax principle of not making retrospective changes, and in reality any new purchases by Landlords will almost certainly be via a limited company (if the Landlords has done his homework thoroughly on BTL economics), if they are basic rate tax payers then they won’t be affected or disadvantaged. So new purchasers will be the ones who have the advantage.

I do not dispute that the lack of CGT on an Owner Occupiers primary resident is fair (and I am not proposing that it be scrapped), but it is an advantage that homeowners have over a BTL Landlord, along with IHT advantages, and a whole raft of other smaller advantages if they take in lodgers.

I note also that you make no comment regarding the lack of debate and rigour of the Public Bill Committee when Clause 24 was discussed last Tuesday, 13th October 2015.

Your comment “……strongly suspect the government will not be moved on this.” But am I not right in that as a Conservative MP you are part of the majority in Parliament that forms the Government? And that without your (and a few other Conservative MPs) support for this Bill it will not get Royal Assent?

Appalled Landlord

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12:46 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Something else the government isn’t consulting about, from: http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/uk-planning-change-reaction-2015101811105.html

“Granting outline planning permission for any housing built on brownfield land, in effect, represents the introduction of zonal planning, it says, a system that can work well if properly implemented with detailed procedures to ensure quality but represents a major change to English planning that the Government is introducing with no consultation, and no safeguards to safeguard quality.”

What could possibly go wrong?

Appalled Landlord

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12:53 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

All they need to do is double the construction workforce: http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/uk-home-building-skills-2015101511097.html

Dr Monty Drawbridge

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12:53 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

"In essence it seems to me that renting residential property is a business and one in which until now it has been possible to defray a higher rate of interest on the assets than other businesses making it particularly attractive."

This seems very confused. The fact that private landlords pay tax at 40-45% instead of incorporated businesses at 21% appears to be being positioned as an unfair advantage for private landlords!

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12:57 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Dr Monty Drawbridge " at "19/10/2015 - 12:53":

Even if we did pay a higher rate of interest than other businesses, which I would question, it would not be of any benefit to us.

If he means a higher amount of interest, then that is because our assets cost a lot.

Kathy Evans

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13:15 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "David Price" at "19/10/2015 - 12:30":

But any other sole trader business where the sole trader pays tax at 40% gets business loan interest (and other costs) set against income --- at 40%. So his comment is nonsense.

TheMaluka

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13:41 PM, 19th October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Kathy Evans" at "19/10/2015 - 13:15":

Kathy both you and I and al the landlords on this site know he is wrong, I would just like him to admit it. The problem is that decisions are being made which affect our businesses based on incorrect knowledge and often on made up 'facts'.

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