Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Saeef Khan

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19:15 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

Also John McKay's submission is very illustrative and explanatory and makes valid points throughout the submission.

Excellent work.

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19:31 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

I increased another tenants rent today from 650 to 675 pcm for a 2 bed flat.

I explained that it was not actually extra money for the rent, it is in fact a tax increase direct from the uk government, who will actually be taking 35% of all my rent collected as a direct tax on the "investment" i chose to "run". (This fig applies to my portfolio - others will be far higher!)

So every month, Mrs tenant £236.25 is tenant tax you will pay to HMRC on the £438.75 rent that you pay to the LL.
Why is it a tenant tax ? well because you the tenant are paying it .

A LL is just an unpaid tax collector "working" on behalf of HMRC , he doesnt actually work tho - he just sits in his armchair "investing" ...or so some people seem to think.

new annual tax due/annual rent collected * 100 ....for maths strugglers !

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20:56 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

We are getting too pessimistic. These changes won't be the end of the rental sector or BTL. It just makes it less profitable

Nor will house building fall. There is little to no link between BTL and house building. There was little to no BTL twenty years ago yet build rates were higher than today.

If the stats are correct there are lots of cash purchase to let and this will continue. Corporate purchases will likely increase.

If the aim is to shrink the rental sector then there is a lot more things that can be done and some would be a lot more effective. This was IMO just a tax grab from unloved group who mostly wouldn't know what's happening until its happened

Saeef Khan

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21:35 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Roger Rabbit" at "21/09/2015 - 20:56":

The aim is not to shrink BTL sector but to make existing owners sell up so treasury can grab CGT coupled with the fact it paves the way for institutional investors coming in which is what government wants to support.

They feel this will enhance BTL standard of letting (condition of properties) and will bring far more revenue in terms of CGT and Stamp Duty ...Win Win situation for Government.

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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21:41 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Saeef Khan" at "21/09/2015 - 21:35":

Typical short term politics in my view. There is no evidence that institutional BTL will work so far as I'm aware. If one of the HPC members can point me to any evidence of this please do so.

Similarly, where is the evidence that institutional investors are even interested in BTL? REITS have been around for some time now but can anybody show me a successful one in the UK?
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Saeef Khan

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21:43 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

In addition, they feel that, any decrease in available stock will instantly be replaced by institutional investors..hence why they have recommended 4 years to phase this plan.

So they can see, whether or not disappeared stock be replaced or not. They have no intentions to ensure whether or not BTL landlords can endure the burden of new taxation. (As this was what they attempted to exhibit logic behind phasing)

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21:45 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Saeef Khan" at "21/09/2015 - 21:35":

How many properties will landlords sell up as a result of these changes? Its a bad illogical turnover tax but I suspect most landlords will just accept it. The way it is phased in over a number of years will allow natural rent increase due to inflation to make up a lot of the tax.

Plus if you assume house prices will go up over the next 4-5 years then current landlords on say 75% LTV might be able to remortgage onto 60% LTV deals which are cheaper.

I don't even think the growth in the rental sector will stop. Cash buyers and high deposit BTL will continue to suck up stock and convert it to rentals.

IF the aim is to shrink the rental sector there is a lot more than can be done but as you say maybe they are just hoping to grab some capital gains tax

Saeef Khan

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21:46 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "21/09/2015 - 21:41":

I agree but this is the stance they seem to be taking hence they have introduced phasing so they can back-track should this fall apart.

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21:49 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

The submission by the Association of Taxation Technicians on Clause 24 is excellent. Hopefully the Committee will take notice of this submission.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmpublic/finance/memo/fb39.htm

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21:53 PM, 21st September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "21/09/2015 - 21:41":

Mark in Germany institutions owns millions of homes. Just one REIT there owns over 300,000 resi homes.

These make a lot of sense. Their finance costs would be a lot lower (no need to remortgage every two years and pay £2k fees each time etc). Instead they would issue their own paper like all large companies (even UK reits do this)

The UK Doesnt have any pure resi reits of note. Segro might be one.

However I would personally welcome UK Residential (especially London) reits. It would allow investors like you and me to get into BTL without having to do it ourselves. We could also buy shares in ISAs or pensions and it would be capital and divi tax free.

However I don't feel this turnover tax makes resi reits any more or less likely in the UK.

Why they don't exist I don't know. I've been asking that question for five years or more.

Maybe some big landlords need to get together and convert to a REIT. Would probably need 10,000 plus properties to be a serious business.

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