Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

14:00 PM, 8th July 2015, About 10 years ago 9619

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Matthew Dervin

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11:21 AM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "18/08/2015 - 10:41":

Hi Appalled Landlord

You said

The amount of finance costs minus the amount that you get relief on can be carried forward and added onto the next year’s finance costs for calculating the relief.

What do you actually do with the amount carried forward it the following year as in that year your Finance Costs will again exceed the amount you get relief on.
??? carry it forward again ??? x 2

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11:42 AM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

I do not believe you are a landlord. None of the posts since you arrived on the forum yesterday has been helpful. So I will limit my reply to your question to a simple “Yes”.

Matthew Dervin

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12:10 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "18/08/2015 - 11:42":

Hi Appalled Landlord

I was just trying to establish whether Ian had come across a solution to the tax changes imposed by the dastardly Mr Osborne

I think you misunderstood my earlier comments

If lots of BTL Landlords pay £millions of additional Tax to the Treasury – Hurrah

I wasn't commenting as myself - I was commentating as though I was George Osborne / The Treasury

Saeef Khan

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12:34 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "18/08/2015 - 10:41":

Good explanation, that's how I understood.

Basically, they will ignore to deduct finance cost albeit.. 20% of finance cost from the total tax due from gross rental income, they will still minus usual expenses with the exception of subtraction of interest (but 20% of total interest paid will be taken off from total bill.

Ian Simpson

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12:41 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Saeef Khan" at "18/08/2015 - 12:34":

Yes you are probably right, however the wording "Any excess finance costs may be carried forward to following years if the tax reduction has been limited to 20% of the profits of the property business in the tax year." Induces me to believe that the remaining "excess" amount of finance cost ( I.e. The other 80%) can be carried forward to next year, and attract 20% relief that year, if the tax reduction has been limited to 20% of the profits ( which it will have been) this year..

Yeah?!!

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12:48 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Ian Simpson" at "18/08/2015 - 12:41":

No. There will be no remaining 80% to carry forward, as 100% will be disallowed, permanently.

Please see my 10.41 post: http://www.property118.com/budget-2015-landlords-reactions/76164/comment-page-296/#comments

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13:09 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

There will be no excess carried forward. As there won't be any.

That's as far I am aware, however if they were to elaborate further on legislation there could be possibility if you had not fully utlised your basic rate tax allowance of say £43k then you could technically carry it forward.

This case will only apply to small landlord with one property and only £10-£15k employment income.

For argument sake, you only utilised £39k with combined property and employment income you will have £4k to carry forward.

Connie Cheuk

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14:24 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Stewart Jackson" at "18/08/2015 - 09:06":

You didn't miss much. I'd seen his webinar before, but calling it 'Understanding the Impact of the Budget Proposals for you and your investing' was very misleading indeed.

He mentioned the changes at the beginning and mentioned that there was a petition, though he is not there to persuade people to sign. He told people to google it and gave the reference.

The real pain is that he builds portfolios and much of it uses finance. This model would absolutely collapse. As his claim is that the investors do not pay more than the 70 or 75k initial investment, the 1 million finance as the portfolio of twelve houses has completed must incur an amazing amount of tax, as much of it is funded through re-mortgaging - gearing - and this is effectively not allowed as a cost with the new tax levy. However, Aran Curry glossed over my question specifically on this. He reiterated that the income from the properties would be sufficient to cover all costs, including the tax.

Good luck to him, because he is the one to foot any excesses, as his clients do not put anything more in after the initial investment! I am even tempted to invest with him now with that claim and that promise!

His business model has not changed one iota to take into account of the new tax, which I found worrying.

Dr Rosalind Beck

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14:39 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Hi all.
I'm after a favour - can anyone give me the following percentages regarding landlords' intentions to increase rents as a direct consequence of the tax change?
The RLA: what percentage was it?
Rentify: ditto.
SAL: ditto.

I've got these figures somewhere hidden in emails I've sent, but I've already spent half an hour looking for them and someone else might be able to get hold of them more quickly. I know that all the figures are in excess of 50%.
I need them for a submission to the House of Commons and I need them today!
Thanks in advance.

Connie Cheuk

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14:52 PM, 18th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Ros ." at "18/08/2015 - 14:39":

65% in one of the articles featured on RLA.

I hate their site - v messy and too much red! I'll try to find it.

Here:
http://news.rla.org.uk/65-of-landlords-considering-rent-rises-following-budget/

Dated 21st July:
New research undermines the Government’s case that its changes to the way landlords are taxed will not increase rents. Interim findings from a survey of landlords by the Residential Landlords Association (RLA) has found that 65% are now considering increasing rents as a direct result of the Budget.

I'm assuming this is following their survey, Ros?
Btw, I want to exile with you. 🙂

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