Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

Summer Budget 2015 – Landlords Reactions

14:00 PM, 8th July 2015, About 10 years ago 9619

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Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Budget proposals to “restrict finance cost relief to individual landlords”Summer Budget 2015 - Landlords Reactions

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Dr Rosalind Beck

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15:20 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

The DPS is possibly the single-most important organisation for the circulation of the petition. This is the latest email I've had from them:

Thank you for your recent email, I can confirm this has been passed to our marketing team for review.

However, as advised in our previous email, we recommend you contact the DCLG with your request for data.

I'm looking for a volunteer to take this up...

Appalled Landlord

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15:24 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Connie Cheuk" at "28/07/2015 - 14:21":

Hi Connie

Please excuse the hideous avatar that Mark has awarded me!

When I read what you posted at 11.37 this morning: http://www.property118.com/budget-2015-landlords-reactions/76164/comment-page-136/#comment-60045 I immediately thought that your case would make an excellent newspaper article.

I did not tell you so because it is not my place to put people on the spot. However, since you have already thought of it, I would strongly encourage you to do so.

You posted earlier that you have 5 rental properties with a gross rental income of £35k, which I take to mean rent received before any deductions.

You are not a fat cat, you have achieved success on your own without taking subsidies from the government, you are hard-working (David Cameron loves that phrase!) and you are very articulate, but you may have to give up teaching as a result of the proposed change, and be a loss to the profession.

I am sure that Mark Alexander would be able to put you in touch with the sympathetic female journalist who helped us with the West Bromwich affair.

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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15:32 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "28/07/2015 - 15:24":

Yes I would be happy to introduce Connie to Nicole at The Telegraph.

Fell free to change your Appalling avatar by the way LOL
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Connie Cheuk

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15:52 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "28/07/2015 - 15:24":

Thank you, Appalled Landlord. You're right, I'm not a property mogul; the fifth property is only going through now despite having second thoughts following the budget.

The general public have a very negative view of landlords just lining their pockets whilst tenants are freezing cold in a damp cave; exacerbated by those landlords from hell programmes. Having been a council tenant in my teens and twenties, and witnessed drug deals (on the stair well) and sexual intercourse (two teens in the rubbish chute cupboard) literally on my doorstep, I would have killed to live in one of the properties I now own!

I lived like a miser, saved like a Turk (apologies to Turks - just a strange saying), watched property programmes and dreamed on the sixteenth floor of a high-rise (admittedly a good view of London on clear days). To now be on the property ladder and have a modest portfolio is literally a dream come true! I voted Consevative because Ed Miliband wanted landlords to be registered. That seems mild compared to this budget announcement!

The Miliband brothers attended the Comprehensive I taught in before moving out of London, so I can't even admit to my ex-colleagues the shame of having voted for the Tories. They would see this as Karma!

Btw, the avatar is adorable.

Appalled Landlord

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16:51 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

I received a newsletter today from the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales by email.

I followed the links and searched in vain for any reference to the impact the budget will have on landlords.

Finally I linked to the Tax Faculty’s page where there was the usual dry description of the restriction of relief, taking up 4 lines. The replacement of the wear and tear allowance got 6.

No comments had been posted at all, so I posted the following:

“The restriction of relief is much more important than the change to accounting for renewals. It is potentially ruinous.

I suggest you post a link to Rebecca Bennyworth’s examples of the effect that this restriction of relief will have, just as you did for the changes to the taxation of dividends: http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/article/osborne-s-reforms-send-property-spin/584698.

In one example, the owners will make a real profit of £50,000, but will have to pay tax on it of £77,800 instead of the £5,600 they would pay today.

So after looking after their properties, and their tenants, for a year, they will have to pay over to the state all of their profit, plus 56%. This is not taxation, it is confiscation.

Clients need to be made aware of the effect that this disastrous proposal would have.

You will get a better understanding of the problem if you go to a site run by and for landlords (including a few accountants): http://www.property118.com/budget-2015-landlords-reactions/76164/

This forum is campaigning to prevent the proposed change applying to existing loans.

A spreadsheet is available to download in which you or your clients can enter their actual figures and see the result immediately.”

The website said that moderation could take up to 24 hours but it went live quite quickly. Unfortunately they squashed into one big paragraph.

I can only hope that some accountants see it.

jonney

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18:03 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

How do we email George Osborne or The Treasury please - I have a labour MP who would only relish my grievance so no point writing to him. Thanks

Connie Cheuk

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18:14 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "28/07/2015 - 15:32":

I just received this email regarding the petition:

Hi Dr R Beck,

We rejected the petition you created – “Scrap the mortgage interest tax levy before it forces tenants out and rents up!”.

There is already a petition about this issue.

We cannot accept duplicate petitions. We think this petition is similar to yours: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/104880 You might like to sign this petition instead. It is more likely to get more signatures that way.

Click this link to see your rejected petition:
View your rejected petition

We only reject petitions that don’t meet the petition standards:
https://petition.parliament.uk/help#standards

If you want to try again, click here to start a petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

Dr Monty Drawbridge

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18:21 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Jon Bourne" at "28/07/2015 - 18:03":

Jon Bourne - I'm not so sure. I'm going to write to mine (Labour). It really depends how you word it. This policy is going to affect a lot more smaller players than large ones because it is not hitting the corporates in a like manner. Labour will relish a Tories helping the corporates over the hard-working indy investors angle. Because the corporates are not affected (to the same extent) they can carry on leveraging so the levelling of the playing field trumpeted by GO is more of a shifting of rental property ownership from small private businesses to the corporates (Tory friends).

I think it is also important to say that you recognise that it is possible that competition from buy to let purchasers is contributing towards upward pressure on purchase prices. But dealing with this can be achieved without retrospective measures, which threaten careful life planning by responsible individuals and families. Due to tenancy contracts, mortgage tie-ins, etc.. property is not something that can be dumped like shares. e.g. new debt on new rules only.

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

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18:23 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Connie Cheuk" at "28/07/2015 - 18:14":

We need to get the other petition removed, it is well thought through from a landlords perspective but will win no symathy from homeowners, tenants or other businesses who are also under threat.

Who is Ruhal Uddin and how do we contact him/her?

I am going out this evening so can't help - sorry 🙁
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Connie Cheuk

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18:34 PM, 28th July 2015, About 10 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "28/07/2015 - 18:23":

The link to view the petition takes to you a page that states that it has been rejected. Therefore the one they have not rejected will have to be circulated - as this is the one they will take, presumably. We just need to ensure people sign the accepted one, I think. Unless you mean we need the accepted petition removed in favour of the rejected one.

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