11:08 AM, 8th March 2021, About 4 years ago 18
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Lambeth Council is consulting on the introduction of Additional HMO licences – deadline 12th March. There seem to be quite a few conditions that I would think are unenforceable/unmanageable and would like to know your views please so that I can respond to them.
It seems the council don’t know the difference between an HMO (rooms rented separately/locked bedroom) and bedsits, and a house-share with friends. This document has been written for the former but would still apply to the latter (which is my perspective).
Below are my key concerns taken from their document:
– A charge of £522 per habitable room (the highest per-room fee in London) which includes receptions.
– Hard-wired inter-linked smoke & heat alarms – they specify that bathrooms and loos will also require smoke alarms as they class these as “habitable” – surely this can’t be right? (I’m assuming they are not classed as “habitable” as far as the fee-per-room is concerned).
– “Where a bedroom is provided for a child under the age of ten, the bedroom shall be adjacent to or directly across from the bedroom occupied by the parent/legal guardian of that child”. Can they dictate which rooms your tenants sleep in? Victorian houses usually have a large front bed, medium middle bed and small back bed. This would mean that with 2 kids, either the parents would have to sleep in the middle room, or the older child in the small room.
– A child cannot sleep in a bedroom with an en-suite. I don’t see why not, especially if they have mobility issues.
-” Where a bedroom is provided for a child under the age of ten the bedroom shall be fitted with a form of wireless door sensor, which sounds when the door is opened. The receiving unit for the wireless door sounder shall be provided to the parent/legal guardian.” Really – who will put up with a buzzer going off day and night? If the child gets up to go to the loo in the middle of the night (as they can’t have an en-suite) the buzzer could wake up the whole house. I’m imaging this would be deactivated by tenants on day one! (Or be classed as ASB!)
– “A child’s bedroom will be lockable (thumb turn lock) with two keys provided to the parent/legal guardian.” So children can lock themselves in their bedroom? What if they have depression/self-harm/other issues? How can parents monitor what they’re doing i.e. screen time. Yes, they can have a key but…
– Heating: Where heating is provided by a gas or electric central heating system, the gas or electricity supply must be via a quarterly credit meter and not a key or card meter” Except that a tenant has the right to change the meter without informing the LL and some tenants prefer key/card meters so how could we comply/remain compliant? What if the tenants have poor credit history and the supplier insists on a key/card meter?
– “Electricity supplies to automatic fire detection and alarm systems and emergency lighting shall be from a landlord’s supply.” “The Licence Holder will be required to ensure that gas or electricity supplies to common parts or shared amenities are on the landlord’s supplies.” This would mean that our 2/3 bed Victorian houses have to be re-wired and a 2nd meter installed where electricity is paid for by the LL. I have no idea how the LL could pay for the heating of common parts in a house.
– “The licence holder will need to attend courses stipulated by the council.” Didn’t this requirement get shot down when another council tried it?
– “The Licence Holder must ensure that the common parts of the house are at all times adequately heated and provided with lighting, as necessary.” How do we ensure that, other than providing working boilers & electricity? If tenants don’t replace light bulbs or turn on the heating, how can LLs be liable?
– “The licence holder shall, where possible, install water-saving devices to the bathroom and kitchen facilities provided including (but not limited to): • Tap aerators • Shower flow regulators • Shower timer devices • Combismart – thermostatic valve – only where Combination Boilers are fitted. • Toilet cistern – flush water-use reduction devices.” This states, “where possible”, not where financially viable”.
– “Infectious Disease Control: In the event or either a national or local outbreak of an infectious disease that is spread by air, water or touch, the licence holder shall as a minimum put in place the following measures:
• Notify all occupants in writing or the nature of the infectious disease, how it is spread and the measures put in place at the HMO to limit its spread. Provide a Notice, clearly displayed, in an accessible common area, setting out the nature of the infectious disease, how it is spread and the measures put in place at the HMO to limit its spread.
• Clean: Increase the frequency of the cleaning schedule for all the common areas in the HMO, including living and dining areas, shared bathrooms, toilets and kitchens. The minimum frequency should be three times a week. The cleaning regime should include (but is not limited to) the sanitisation/disinfection of: o Door and window handles and locks, o Doors, handles and controls of all white goods communally provided, o Taps and plugs, o Showers, o Baths, o Wash hand basins, o Toilets, o Shared surfaces, e.g. dining tables, chairs, coffee tables, etc. o All shared surfaces and cupboards used in the storage, preparation and cooking of food and making drinks, o The doors, handles and controls of cooking appliances and kettles.
• Sanitise: Provide hand sanitiser stations in each common room including living and dining areas, shared bathrooms, toilets and kitchens and at the main entrance to the HMO. The sanitiser should not be diluted in any way and supplied in pump action containers for ease of use. Examples of infectious disease that would require these measures to be put in place are, COVID19, Tuberculosis, SARS-CoV, cholera, etc.
The licence holder must inform the Council by email HMOLicensing@lambeth.gov.uk within 72 hours of becoming aware of the occurrence of an outbreak.”
Do they not realise that cleaning at £13ph x 2 hours x 3 pw x 4 weeks would add £312 pm to the monthly rent, which would ultimately be paid by the tenant?
Surely a LL cannot force tenants to have a certain cleaning regime, and why are we now responsible for providing undiluted, pump-action sanitisers in all habitable rooms? If tenants are responsible enough to be able to live independently, why are we to treat them like children?
– “The licence holder shall ensure that any items of bulky household furniture (such as mattresses/bed bases/fridges etc.) are disposed of in a responsible manner using a licenced waste carrier or the Council’s chargeable bulky waste collection service.” I’m not sure how a LL can ensure this, short of the LL actually handling the disposal.
– “Labelling of furniture, soft furnishings, kitchen appliances and white goods. The licence holder shall label any furniture, soft furnishing and kitchen appliances and white goods provided at the property, using a suitable indelible marker pen (removable labels are not acceptable) with the address and, where relevant, the room number the articles relate too, e.g. Room 1, 38, postcode. The labelling should be readable and clear. The license holder will regularly check the labelling and re-label should the existing labelling have faded to the point it can no longer be read.” So all those beautiful sofas, curtains, soft furnishings etc that we may provide will be written on in sharpie and need to be checked for legibility on a regular basis???
I would class this as vandalism, and it would prevent/limit any future sale of such items. And thinking about my own home, if I were ever to rent it out, there is no way I would deface all my possessions like this.
– “Cleaning of Shared Rooms and Spaces: It is the manager’s responsibility to ensure that all shared rooms and spaces e.g. communal lounges, kitchens, bathrooms and corridors are cleaned.” How can a LL ensure this? To what standard? How often? Who pays for it? How is it monitored?
I plan to respond to the consultation over the weekend and would appreciate any help/advice/suggestions, especially on the points raised above.
Heather
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Sign Up9:23 AM, 9th March 2021, About 4 years ago
I wonder if you can get some allies to help you fight this? I know the NRLA would be very interested and they have funds to take councils to court. They have a very clear stance against additional licensing, the say:
“The NRLA has warned [that licensing] could lead to landlords passing the cost on to tenants in the form of increased rents, in order to cover the cost of applying for a licence, and so doing nothing to address affordability. The Council already has the necessary tools to tackle poor housing management without introducing additional licensing schemes. There are more than 150 Acts of Parliament and 400 regulations affecting landlords in the private rented sector.”
So I think they may enjoy getting their teeth stuck into something this ridiculously wrong.
https://www.nrla.org.uk/campaigns/local-government#licensing-and-enforcement
https://www.nrla.org.uk/campaigns/our-successes
Meera Chandooroy, the Deputy Director of Campaigns, Public Affairs & Policy was very helpful to me meera.chindooroy@nrla.org.uk
Also these two organisations have asked for a moratorium on additional licensing in general and maybe can help raise awareness:
https://www.londonpropertylicensing.co.uk/pause-routine-electrical-inspections-and-new-property-licensing-schemes
Good luck.
Nick Davison
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Sign Up11:51 AM, 9th March 2021, About 4 years ago
Most of these rules are ridiculous, but I do agree that HMO landlords should be legally required to employ cleaners. I live in a HMO in Leeds and there are several tenants who never do any cleaning, when I chase the landlord about this all that happens is he sends a text to the other tenants and nothing changes. Why should a few responsible tenants have to shoulder the burden of cleaning up after the landlords other client or face living in a filthy hovel? If the rent goes up as a result, then it goes up.
Luke P
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Sign Up16:02 PM, 9th March 2021, About 4 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Nick Davison at 09/03/2021 - 11:51
Why should a landlord babysit independent adults?
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Sign Up17:07 PM, 9th March 2021, About 4 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Luke P at 09/03/2021 - 16:02
Maybe because they don't behave like "adults" perhaps?
I agree that one should be perfectly entitled to expect them to behave like adults, but when they don't / won't...?
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Sign Up10:29 AM, 13th March 2021, About 4 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Luke P at 09/03/2021 - 16:02
Perhaps because the landlord is running a business and responsible for the welfare of tenants that do comply with their regulations.
We live in a street that over the years has become 90% student HMO's. What annoys me is why should the permanent residents have to put up with the litter, noise and nuisance created by the HMOs that the landlords profit from. It's the landlord's business and their responsibility to ensure that their businesses are run in a nuisance free manner and not the responsibility of permanent resident to train and coach their customers.
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Sign Up14:35 PM, 13th March 2021, About 4 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Smartermind at 13/03/2021 - 10:29
I've seen notices and warnings put up by the remaining residents in "student" streets in Oxford advising that "this is not a party street" and as such any students considering renting a property in it should take this into consideration as late night noise and partying will not be appreciated.
I have no idea whether this approach works or not (I suspect not) but it speaks volumes about the frustrations visited on the permanent residents.
Heather G.
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Sign Up19:10 PM, 10th April 2021, About 4 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Nick Davison at 09/03/2021 - 11:51
Nick, you're confusing a room-let HMO with a house-share of friends, as did the council, which was what I was trying to highlight. If 3-4 friends are living in a 2-3 bed home with shared facilities, that's very different to a 5+ bed HMO with strangers and large communal areas. Also, adding the cost of cleaners to the rent of a 2/3 bed house will make renting unaffordable to many. And what about those who don't want someone poking around their private residence, or like to do the cleaning themselves? What about if the tenants decide they don't like the cleaner, or don't like the way they clean - should it be down to the LL to pander to that? Why should clean & tidy tenants pay for a cleaner that's not needed? What if the cleaner is off sick so a property isn't cleaned that week - is there a fine for breach of licencing conditions?
As Luke P says, these are adults (at least they should be). If they have the ability to maintain a job, they should be capable of managing their own cleaning, or hiring their own cleaner.
C.Park
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Sign Up10:58 AM, 15th January 2023, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Ros poldermans at 08/03/2021 - 12:10
Lambeth seem to have a power trip, they were called out for the mismanagement of all the public housing they manage yet they have these ridiculous rules for private landlords and the absurd costs. This is nothing but the council bullying the private sector housing. They environmental officers have no clue on what they are doing. Threats to sue private landlords who are mostly doing a good job.