A landlord’s stark warning to tenants on legislation impact

A landlord’s stark warning to tenants on legislation impact

9:50 AM, 28th March 2024, About 8 months ago 45

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A landlord has warned that “tenants will suffer the most” if new legislation and regulations get the green light.

Mick Roberts, one of Nottingham’s largest landlords told Property118 about the harsh realities facing both sides of the rental divide.

He also says selective licensing is causing chaos for landlords in Nottingham.

Help tenants find a place to live

Mr Robert’s journey as a landlord has led him to become one of Nottingham’s largest landlords accommodating benefit tenants, though this wasn’t his original plan.

He explained to Property118: “I officially started in 1997. The first house I purchased was for a friend who was struggling to find suitable accommodation for his family.

“They were living in a cramped flat, so I decided to buy a house and rent it to them.

“The mortgage amounted to £150 a month, and I charged them £300 a month for rent. That’s how I got my start in the private rented sector.”

He adds: “It wasn’t initially my intention to house benefit tenants. Tenants were desperate, and I gained a reputation for accepting anyone.

“Before I knew it, my tenants were spreading the word to their friends. I also related to the tenants because we were on the same wavelength.”

Mr Roberts decided to stop buying any more houses in 2004 but got coerced to buy more houses in 2008 by letting agents.

He explains: “I originally didn’t want any of the houses I bought in 2008 but the letting agents were begging me to buy them.

“The agents couldn’t sell them because of the financial crash in 2008 and just could not give houses away. The agents were selling for half price, so I decided it made financial sense to buy them.”

Landlords have had enough of licensing

Mr Roberts says he has now stopped buying houses to help tenants since Nottingham City Council introduced its first selective licensing scheme in 2018.

He told Property118 that many landlords in Nottingham have been selling up because of selective licensing.

“Since the licensing scheme has been introduced it’s been making me go crackers” he said.

“It is true that the licensing scheme has found some bad houses. However, the majority of houses have now got worse as landlords are spending the funds they did have on the licensing scheme.”

He added: “A lot of landlords have had enough now and are selling up because of licensing. It’s not rocket science if you’re faced with spending £900 on a licence fee or needing to invest £3,000 in renovating a tenant’s kitchen, you simply can’t afford to do the kitchen because the council takes the money.

“That’s what we’ve found out about licensing it’s more paperwork and made landlords more selective when choosing tenants.”

Licensing forced retrospective changes

He adds: “The problem is licensing has forced a lot of retrospective changes on tenants when they’ve already lived there for 20 years.

“For example, I’ve got a 68-year-old tenant who has been with me for 21 years but licensing now says I must inspect the property. Why do we have to do that – is she not trustworthy?

“What licensing should do is say to landlords, ‘Any new houses you buy or any new tenants you get, you will be subject to these conditions’ rather than it being retrospective.”

When approached by Property118, Nottingham City Council claimed that the licensing scheme does not generate any profits.

“We had to make an evidence-driven case to the government over selective licensing which was firmly based on the legislation and guidance.

This was approved by the Secretary of State to run in certain areas of Nottingham. Selective licensing is not income-generating – councils are not designed to make a profit. Licence fees solely cover the cost of setting up, operating and delivering the scheme in the city.”

Negative stereotypes of landlords are not helping tenants

Mick also told Property118 that the negative stereotypes of landlords by the media are not helping tenants in the private rented sector.

He explains: “It’s self-programming, isn’t it? You automatically think of Mr Bad Landlord. However, when you cut a landlord’s choice away then many landlords are simply going to say, ‘I’m not going to give you the home in the first place’.

“Since 2015, when George Osborne introduced Section 24, it’s snowballed as many landlords are simply not making a profit.”

He adds: “Why are tenant groups like Generation Rent and Shelter calling for legislation like the Renters (Reform) Bill which is going to ban Section 21?

“This is obviously going to cut supply as landlords will leave and tenants won’t be able to get anywhere. People need to stop assuming that all landlords charge a fortune because a lot of us aren’t.”

Mr Roberts adds he wishes to sell many of his properties but is unable to due to his tenants.

He explains: “I wish to sell a lot of my properties but can’t as, my tenants can’t get anywhere. Some of us have morals and a conscience, but also I’m not going to last forever.

“During my interview with Radio 5 last year, the discussion revolved around the basic human right to have somewhere to live. While I acknowledged this right, I raised the question: should it solely be the landlord’s responsibility to ensure everyone has a home?”

“Why should I continue to be a charity, I’ve had no holidays and worked 16-hour days for many years as a landlord trying to do my best.”

Government should listen to landlords

Mr Roberts adds the government needs to listen to landlords to help them stay in the private rented sector.

He said: “We are the ones supplying the houses for the market. The government should be coming to landlords saying, ‘What can we do for you because you are all selling up?

“I would say to the government ‘come and talk to my tenants and ask them what they would like’. There’s no communication from the government at all, they just listen to a few groups who think all landlords are bad with bad houses when in reality we are not.”

Mr Roberts says he would like the government to change Universal Credit. He says he has now stopped accepting benefit tenants because of the UC system.

He said: “I’ve stopped taking benefit tenants now not because of them but because of the Universal Credit system.

“Universal Credit is great in many ways, but the direct payment is a massive problem. If a tenant hasn’t paid, then there’s a safety net to say the tenant is in arrears.

“Very often they are just reverting payment back to the tenant and it’s making people homeless.”

A Department of Work and Pensions spokesperson told Property118: “Claimants on Universal Credit are expected to pay their own housing costs out of their monthly Universal Credit award. This helps to reduce welfare dependency by mirroring the world of work.

“Direct payments are considered for claimants who are unable to manage their single monthly payment, and as a result are at risk of financial harm. Once set up, direct payments can only be removed at the request of a claimant if it is deemed to be in the claimant’s best interests.”

Skewed perception among renters groups

Mr Roberts highlights that organisations like Citizens Advice tend to receive a one-sided narrative from certain tenants.

This can result in policies, like advocating for EPC C ratings for rented properties, which may not address the needs of all tenants.

He told Property118: “Citizens Advice are generally really good but they are misunderstanding the situation for some tenants.

“The good tenants, enjoying a cosy home with a new boiler, have little reason to reach out to Citizens Advice. This creates a skewed perception among renters groups, as they primarily hear from those facing issues.

“Then suddenly, tenants are told: ‘We’re tearing apart your nicely decorated home to install insulation in the walls and floorboards, saving you £30 per month on gas and electric bills.’

“Citizens Advice don’t realise that a tenant’s original cheap rent of £600 will go up to £900 just to save a tenant £30 on their utility bills.

“Citizens Advice think that all tenants are being ripped off as they only hear from the aggrieved ones. The government are forcing retrospective changes on us when in reality the majority of tenants don’t have a problem. “

Tenants will suffer the most

Mr Roberts says the future of the private rented sector looks set to get worse.

He said: “I think it’s either going to get worse for another 10 years or it’s going to take 10 years to turn it around.

“Landlords are just not trusting anyone at all now, and at the end of the day it will be the tenants that suffer the most.”

To find out more about Mick Robert’s thoughts on selective licensing and what he thinks will happen if a Labour government is elected, watch the video below.


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les

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20:31 PM, 28th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Well someone who talks sense at last and knows the housing market inside out obviously. Mick Roberts obviously has the info and gumption to take on the government and tell the people on the housing waiting list why they are paying high rents with little opportunity of being housed. IF ONLY the TV production company that blew the post office scandals wide open could do the same for the private housing market. What an idea. Well the ideas out there anyone feel they could put it on the TV screens?

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8:31 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by les at 28/03/2024 - 20:31
95% of tenants don't know what's going off cause they only hear the Media side.
Like the George Osborne Section 24 saga. We're used to it now, but u explain that to someone not in the know, & they laugh it & say Don't be stupid. How can u pay tax on something when u haven't made that, you've got to take your mortgage interest off surely. It's that daft, the less intelligent can see how stupid Osborne & current lot to keep it are.

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8:36 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Emma Boswell at 28/03/2024 - 16:32
Till the plumber lets u down ha ha.

You forgot to tell em I actually bought you a house that u found for yourself. That was 2014. And you was in the 2 previous houses from around 2010, so maybe 14 years been with me.
Shame now cause u an example how u could freely move houses when u wanted to, whereas now we all subject to new latest rules & regs which puts any new house u want out of reach with extortionate rents to pay for all these latest changes. And u don't want to go with Letting agent understandably & I daren't do any new tenancies without Letting Agent forms & signatures & compliance.

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9:42 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

If the astronomical cost for a licence in Nottingham doesn't make any profit, what the hell are they doing with the money? Doesn't the licence in Wales cost £45 for a new application and £36 to renew? Perhaps a court case over mismanagement of public funds with Wales Rent Smart as evidence? I don't operate in Nottingham but, if I did, I'd certainly be wanting to liaise with other Landlords to see where this cash is going.

I think it would be ok to stop calling Mick a "Landlord" and instead, a housing provider - just as everyone in this game is. Maybe these plonkers could see the good we've done by risking our own hard earned.

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10:03 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Liam at 29/03/2024 - 09:42
Exactly.
Costs £40 to MOT a car which is far more dangerous & far more moving perishable parts.
Boiler service £60.
Electrical certificate £100.
EPC £60.
Full checks all the above people do.

Licensing are only taking our name now & property address. £890 for this.
I now find out they have another team in there that is solely working on chasing Landlords who haven't Licensed. The very License they introduced that is causing so many rent increases & homeless for tenants of Nottingham.
So this team is being paid for by tenants rent increases to pay for the License.

Keith Wellburn

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10:35 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 29/03/2024 - 10:03
I know it’s a small thing but it illustrates a point, I had to supply copies of the EPCs to York Council for my additional HMO licences for shared student houses (total for both parts well into four figures per property).

Why for pity’s sake? The EPC online register is free and simple for anyone to look up any property by address in a moment. The council tax register tells them the student houses because of the council tax exemptions declared by the students. It would be a simple matter of a days work for a junior employee to check these against each other. Action could be then taken against those who don’t have the required EPC.

It’s been put into law that it is illegal for landlords to charge tenants administration fees - but it’s ok for councils to insert themselves into the equation and charge at a rate that would make the greediest LL blush if they were treating a tenant that way - for a process that could easily be done by other ways than endless expansion of licensing. I’d gladly pay a few pounds more on a gas safety cert and EICR that could see a national data base set up for these as well - it would also cut out the bureaucracy of needing to issue tenants with these and arguments on whether they were or weren’t served correctly. It’s done with MOTCs now and I heard they are not even going to issue a paper document very soon.

Anything to cut these self serving bureaucrats out of the process of providing the safe and decent homes most LLs already provide - and start putting the cost on those that flout the rules.

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11:11 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Keith Wellburn at 29/03/2024 - 10:35
Yes,
Nottingham don't ask for em any more cause in 2018, they'd all ran out by the time Licensing looked at em.
We had to send about 5-10 attachments in for each property. To kids that didn't even know what a boiler certificate looked like.

U say great words on the fees.
Yes I've said, why aren't boiler certificates & EICR's on a national public register-They far more dangerous than EPC.

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11:20 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 28/03/2024 - 16:09
send them a link to the whistleblowing log system. Every council has one!
If not then email the Monitoring Officer at the Council to demand why they dont have this in place. As far as I am aware this is a mandatory requirement?

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11:26 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Liam at 29/03/2024 - 09:42
I'm changing my title to 'Default Social Housing Provider'.

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11:45 AM, 29th March 2024, About 8 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Reluctant Landlord at 29/03/2024 - 11:20
Nottingham would try hide theirs.

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